Wednesday, 1 October 2014

Briars 1

Bob and Rose Weiner taught us in the 80s about the briarmen from Ezekiel 28 verse 24

And there will be no more for the house of Israel a prickling brier or a painful thorn from any round about them who scorned them; then they will know that I am the Lord God.”

For Israel the painful thorn (bush) are like the hostile countries having Muslim faith pressing in on them...but also secular nations in general.
BUT MOST of Fritz Springmeier's ministry is exposing the Briars. or the Briarmen.

Briars do not have their own strength but wind around existing hedges for their strength and gradually throttle their host plants.

The reason this is such a key concept is deeply bound up with what originally went wrong in Genesis 3, and as such is deeply familiar to every human being on earth.
People call it the human condition. "Oh I'm only human".

That's the problem right there....we're not.
Originally literally powered by God's Divine Life, which Peter describes in 2 Peter 1:3.
Now, before quoting...try to catch this NEAT in your Spirit from the rather awkward sounding Greek Youngs literal translation................
As all things to us His divine power (the things pertaining unto life and piety) hath given, through the acknowledgement of him who did call us through glory and worthiness,

So it's calling the "acknowledging of Him...His Life in us"....what others may call having faith in Christ. Again in proverbs 3 it says acknowledge Him in all your ways.

So this acknowledging process is the kick start of continual consciousness that we live by the Power of His Life.

The devil came along in the garden and told us this was insufficient....but if we just did what he advised which was to reach for a tree that was specifically forbidden we would be like god.....blah blah blah....and so we did

So we transferred from living every moment literally having God live His own life restricted to our form as He had made us....we chucked that aside for "being like god"...

Not only that....what we weren't told was that our new and supposedly separate godlike existence...was actually not powered by us....he had lied.....since we have to be powered by some deity spirit it was at one remove from the True and Holy Life Source....we were powered by the devil's own spirit. His spirit is self for self.

one of the first things we notice at our deepest insides, is the moment we are born again we begin properly loving again....and NOT just to be loved back. We love because we love...because this is the nature of God's Life within us.

Herein , says John, we know we have passed from death to life!!!!

Back to briars.

So the very nature of Satan's life is to be a briar. He can't be selfempowered either. He is God's life too....but at one remove....twisted in on himself to be a self for self being.

There in the middle of God's earth is not primarily Abraham or the scenario is TITLED Jacob.
House of Jacob.

What does Jacob mean? Twister. Usurper. Deceiver.

Which character is chosen preeminently above all others in the Bible to MOST REPRESENT THE CALL OF GOD upon men in the Earth.
Which person became the pattern after which a whole nation was named?
(To "get" more of this read Jacob I have loved by Lance Lambert)

I maintain that the Spirit has told me that the whole Ezekiel 28 scenario is nothing less than a huge national rerun of what was essentially the story of one man before...this time it's the whole house of Jacob.

In ONE DAY . Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children.Isaiah 66:8

and so all Israel shall be saved: Romans 11:26

Who else met God in a day? Well in the total sense of these passages?
YUP....Jacob at Peniel, when His Name was changed to Israel. or Prince with God. or One who prevailed with God.

Present day, whether you look at the micro level...ME....and I have
or the Macro Level the problem is the same...

Briars, and because there are briars within....there are thornbushes pressing from without demanding that there is something wrong with us.

Who can deliver us? Thanks be to God Jesus Christ is the cornerstone of a brand new building....and He already HAS DELIVERED US. But not as we were.

This is why it has taken the best part of 6000 years at least to see exactly how the devil has pulled this off. You see he was masquerading as us.
Romans 7 is the crisis when in the midst of a terriffic storm we try everything. We check through everything like a fine toothcomb...
and we's not all me....something else is happening.

It's a double edged sword moment. We realise two things.
I am of myself nothing. I am not nor ever was a selfpowered soul. it's in Romans 7 when nothing that always worked before now works for us. All our standard tricks nolonger pull off deliverance. We are desperate.
Some call it the Dark Night of the Soul.
You could call it "the realisation we are not selfpowered souls."
At which point we see the second thing....
if it's not me....what is it?'s sin in the flesh.
This is NOT the SAME as the American Southern State Black pentecostal woman stereotype declaring the "devil made me do it".
NOPE. We have free will. We can't slopeshoulder that easily. WE ARE TO BLAME.
But only because we are NOT as Christians acknowledging GOD living His Life through us. Somewhere we blanked out and thought we were running our own lives again. WHICH ACTUALLY ISN'T.
This false delusion of being "self-powered" is actually Satan's own spirit and so we are forced to exhibit his desires, his lusts, his agenda.

That's the trick Satan has pulled on us. And is the reason that the same list of bad character traits that Jesus ran through concerning the Pharisees and Saducees in Matthew 6 and Matthew 23 are still just as relevant today in evangelical churches and charismatic churches.

THAT's the REAL source of the BRIARS that extend right round the earth into every government, every form of religion, every force for fact especially in every FORCE FOR GOOD.

We call living life our own way,(Isaiah 53.6)
living in the delusion of independence
living as a selfpowered soul

we call this delusion now living in separation.

Christ has put us in Union at the level of spirit.
This is what Galatians 2;20 means.
It is the most radical discovery since the Fall itself, since it is the thing that begins unwinding ALL the curses upon earth....BUT...unlike in Deuteronomy a works based fruit....this is ABSOLUTELY COMPLETE because it goes to the source of why we do anything.

Some of the 1950s saints began putting this all together but it has fallen to a real time fulfilment of Psalm 24 and Psalm 110 in my lifetime and my generation to literally hunt God down for all the missing strands together.
Watchman Nee,
Pastor Wurmbrand,
Mother Basilea Schlink,

Margaret Barber and a Kindle link to 3 works
and Jessie Penn Lewis who taught Watchman Nee,
R.Edward Miller who got down and dirty with God about Argentina and saw nationwide revival in 1950,
Graham Pulkingham who wept 3 months on a crypt floor in his episcopalian church in Houston and the 20th Century co founder of WEC Norman Grubb, were all putting together strands. Basilea Schlink got as far as founding the community at Darmstadt where they literally began seeing the release of Creation in their thriving gardens and fields.

SO if we are to see the OUTER BRIARS curl up shrivel and die it will only be as we see our own inner briars dealt with at source by fully understanding the TWO PARTS OF THE CROSS.
Romans 1 to 5 is about forgiveness by faith
Romans 6 to 8 is about our identity, and how our very identity changed at the Cross too.

The devil wants to establish his congregation of the single eye. Where people live from his spirit single eyed for him alone: the eye in the pyramid.
JESUS CHRIST is forming His Body who have a single eye for HIM ALONE.

Everything at the end of the day is about FIRSTLOVE.
Who is our agenda? God or the Devil. God or selflove.

And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart with all your soul with all your mind and with all your strength
and you shall love your neighbour as yourself

Saturday, 27 September 2014

Timeline Posters

Sometimes a phrase will  sum up something in a unique way and I get to thinking , that could be a Timeline Poster on Facebook, now how would I go about illustrating that?
I use Xara Xtreme Pro  from and nab something off Google or draw it myself.
The racing car is layered to suggest a blurred image of movement.
The cliff face is done with their fill tool.

Phil Keaggy....just too good to pigeonhole!!

Kirsten Powers: We broke Iraq (USA Today)

5:18 p.m. EDT September 23, 2014
‘The Vicar of Baghdad’, on a recent trip to the U.S., bears witness to the present hell.
Colin Powell famously told President George W. Bush before the Iraq invasion, "If you break it, you own it." Well, it's safe to say we broke Iraq.

That's the story I heard last week from two people who live there. I met with the Rev. Canon Andrew White — "The Vicar of Baghdad" — who serves as the chaplain to St. George's Anglican Church in the heart of Baghdad. We were joined by Sarah Ahmed, a director at White's Foundation for Relief and Reconciliation in the Middle East. Ahmed was born and raised in Iraq. White has lived there for 15 years.

"I was in favor of the U.S. invasion," White told me. "But we are literally 5,000 times worse than before. If you look at it, you can see it was wrong. We have gained nothing. Literally nothing. We may have had an evil dictator, but now we have total terrorism. We used to have one Saddam. Now we have thousands."

Ahmed, who opposed the war, agreed but urged people to move past that debate. "When the war happened it was based on wrong decisions," she said. "The U.S. shouldn't have intervened. But that happened. But now it's a different situation."

Now, it's sheer desperation. Speaking to an Anglican church in Washington, D.C., last week, White told congregants, "There is very little hope. There is very little future. I used to say to (my people), 'I'm not going to leave you, so don't you leave me.' Now I can't say, 'Don't leave me.' Because I ... know if they stay, they might not be alive much longer."

In our meeting, White described Iraqis being persecuted, tortured and massacred. Ahmed talked of beheadings and people being sliced in half in front of relatives. She spoke of a slave market where kidnapped children are bought and sold. Boys are forced to become jihadis; girls become sex slaves.

Ahmed's Muslim family fled to Jordan, but she stayed behind because of her commitment to the future of Iraq. She said, "I'm a pacifist, but unless there is a very strong military action by the U.S., (the Islamic State) cannot be moved." She has reluctantly concluded that might have to include some U.S. ground troops returning to Iraq.

This view is shared by a who's who of U.S. military advisers, from Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to former Defense secretary Robert Gates. Arguments in favor of sending Americans back to Iraq are the last thing most Americans want to hear.

I opposed the Iraq War, so I can relate to this reticence. But taking the option off the table, as President Obama hasdonerepeatedly, seems premature considering the state of Iraq and America's hand in creating the current crisis.

That said, White is not sure that at this point there is much the U.S. can do to change the dynamics on the ground. He is less optimistic than Ahmed — or someAmericangenerals — that Iraq can be saved.

"I really say that the biggest thing responsible for the crisis now was American troops leaving. I could have told (President Obama) this would happen. I sat down with all my staff when the U.S. was withdrawing and I said, 'Give it three years and we will be in hell.' And we are."

Kirsten Powers writes weekly for USA TODAY.

In addition to its own editorials, USA TODAY publishes diverse opinions from outside writers, including our Board of Contributors. To read more columns like this, go to the opinion front page or follow us on twitter @USATopinion or Facebook.
Kirsten Powers

Friday, 26 September 2014

The In Part is fading away - Phillip Owen Morris

The "in part" is fading away

When Maturity Comes The “In Part” Shall Be Done Away

At the time of the writing of the book of Revelation, the Church was experiencing the Holy Place dimension (Revelation 1:12 and 3:15-16). There comes a time when we have to sacrifice that realm and ministry and trust the Lord to resurrect it in his way and in his time. Paul called the “gift” realm an “in part” realm, not the fullness. Once Elisha kissed his former ministry good-bye, he sacrificed the oxen. We must take the ministry that we have been involved in that we have thought was the fullness, but was really the “in part” or the “gift” realm, or the Holy Place dimension, and sacrifice it as Elisha did. We must lay it down and allow God to raise it up in his way and in his time. Then it will be greater than just an “in part” manifestation. Paul said, “But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.” The Greek word “perfect” in this scripture means “complete in growth, in mental and moral character; of full age.” This speaks of maturity. The word “perfect” in this scripture also means “man” and “perfect.” In Ephesians 4:13, Paul wrote, “Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ” (emphasis added). We, the full grown, mature body of Christ = a perfect man which is Christ the Lord. This is not referring to separate, individual places of worship or to separate denominations or to any religion. It is referring to the body of Christ—every Church in every city, in every state, in every nation in which the Lord Jesus Christ is the Head. That is what the Lord is telling the Church in Revelation 3:15. If you stay in an “in part” realm when God wants you to move on, you become lukewarm. You lose that first love. If you won’t sacrifice the ministry and go into the place of Revelation 4:1, and come up to the Most Holy Place experience, there will be a lukewarmness that will settle over you. There was a time in my life when I thought I was in the ultimate ministry. I did not want to leave that ministry, but God was dealing with me. I did not want to lay it down, but I sensed within my spiritual life a lukewarmness, until I finally made the decision to lay it down and go into the ministry that proceeds out of the Most Holy Place. I did not know what God was doing at that time though. When God wants us to move from one realm to the next, but we are satisfied with just being stuck in the middle, we are saying that we are rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing. When God wants us to move on with him but we are satisfied right where we are, we are saying, “We have numbers, we have money, we have programs, and we have a ministry.” And God is saying, “Don’t you know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked?” Then in Revelation 3:18 the Lord tells them, “I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.” Isaiah 55:1 says that we are to buy without money and without price—without works of the flesh. We buy with our hunger for him. And only because of his grace, do we receive his gold (divine nature), his raiment of righteousness, and his ability to see spiritual things. In Revelation 5, John was weeping because no man could open the book. No man can open the book, and no amount of “what we go through” can open the book. No works can open the book. Nothing we do can open the book within and cause the life of the Lamb and the rivers of living water to flow out of our innermost being. If we suffer with him we reign with him, and we suffered at the cross of Calvary. That is what he is saying when he says, “I counsel you to buy of me gold tried in the fire.” Jesus experienced a fire, a judgment, a bitter cup, at the cross over 2000 years ago. At first, he didn’t even want to drink it. Then he said, “Not my will but thine, be done.” And that is when his fire began to become our fire. His suffering became our suffering. No man can open the book. No matter what we do, we cannot open the book. Only when you receive the Lamb that was slain can the book be opened. In Revelation 3:20, the Lord said that if we’d open the door, he would come in and sup. The biggest meal is at the end of the day. For over 2000 years we’ve been at the end of the age of the Mosaic Law, but blinded from that truth by the god of this world. God has given us a hand-written invitation to come to this super supper he has prepared. We’ve opened the door and we are beginning to partake. We have “come up hither.” Jesus is more than life itself. He is more than the necessary food that we eat. Jesus is more than anything! He’s everything! To have the book of life that is within us unsealed on the backside—crucified, died, buried—means that out of us, can flow the life of the Lamb—quickened, raised, and seated. That is why we were created in the first place. We were made to become a praise and a worship unto him. We were created to have him, the rivers of living waters, reproduced out of us. When we understand the book of Revelation there is going to be a great outflowing coming from all of us. There have been so many things that have come against the body of Christ that unless we can grab a hold of this spiritual understanding that it is not what we must suffer, but what we have already suffered, we will not begin to reign with him in the throne. I’m so convinced of this that I’m angry. The word tells us to be angry and sin not. Anger is just a sign that tells us that we need to move forward to confront those things that have come against us. Unless we grab a hold of this, Matthew 21:43 says that the kingdom will be given to another nation. It could be given to a people who are only experiencing the Holy Place at this time. A people who are hungry. A people who are desperate. A people who
know that there is more than the baptism of the Holy Spirit, there is more than the gift realm, and they are crying out from the Holy Place to find it. But there is a people here and now, that are walking in the kingdom. There is a people in the deeper life experience of the Most Holy Place that are experiencing throne realm dominion. The Lord has brought this word for that purpose. We are walking in the kingdom and experiencing the place that we are already seated in. We are no longer trying to get into a chair that we are already seated in. We’re living it more and more with each passing day! It is naturally supernaturally walking itself out, through the self-fulfilling power of his word (Isaiah 61:11 Amplified Bible)! Right now, we are coming out of the Most Holy Place to see how we got there. And as we do, we are filling our mind with the knowledge and the understanding of how we got there—which is the death, the burial, and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. We are not eating the lamb in haste as the Israelites did when they came out of Egypt. We are enjoying the marriage supper of the Lamb with our feet underneath his table. In this kingdom age we will not go out with haste, nor by flight; for the Lord has gone before us, and the God of Israel is our rear guard (Isaiah 52:12). When we experienced initial salvation we ate the Lamb with haste in our first look at the cross. But as we take a second look we are savoring every detail of the finished work of Calvary.

Phillip Owen Morris

Thursday, 25 September 2014

Luvvies speak out on Facebook

I share many mutual friends on Facebook.I don't think I believe quite the same things. Trying to chase them down rabbitholes doesn't help me much...nor it seems them. The Body of Christ is not in the unity of the faith yet, so until that time we maintain the Unity of the Spirit.
One of the most popular of my blogposts is Too Much Process  in which Derek Pronce at 80 discovers that His Heavenly Dad really does love him....and discovering that changes so many things....things that were a fulltime battle...just simply fall away.
You can't ignore all these people....though Stephanie Macentire has defriended me.....the amazing thing is, loads of the rest haven't. They ARE in love with God and each other. Whatever I believe, certainly at this stage in the proceedings, has little or no effect...which is humbling....and here they even if you tried to discount them....wouldn't make a scrap of difference....these are luvvies and below the name list is some open and laid bare sharing from last night on Facebook.

Fay Gillbanks Lagerwall
225 mutual friends
Cynthia Linox
350 mutual friends
Tabitha Hope
34 mutual friends
Kevin Hinkle
520 mutual friends
Hal Williamson
498 mutual friends
Christo Amsterdam
313 mutual friends
Brandon Lee
33 mutual friends
Myrlene Jack
6 mutual friends
Helene Markus
3 mutual friends
Elizabeth Imondi
172 mutual friends
Kristy P. Ashley
28 mutual friends
Christi Landers Ward
18 mutual friends
Linda Freethinker Thompson
84 mutual friends
Victor Henson
34 mutual friends
Donna Bentley Schrimsher
9 mutual friends
Cynthia Raytos
2 mutual friends
Jackie Walker
94 mutual friends
Debra Tillman Larson
2 mutual friends
Roxann Bass
35 mutual friends
Kim Wood
5 mutual friends
Sarah Jenkins Kawa
185 mutual friends
Stephanie McEntire Buker
318 mutual friends
LisaMarie Smith-LaRose
3 mutual friends
Amanda Bloomfield
39 mutual friends
Cherrie Brecht
57 mutual friends
Michelle Gomillion
10 mutual friends
Tanya Davila
8 mutual friends
Michele Kim Bahlmann
45 mutual friends
Beatriz Musick
174 mutual friends
Bola Muyis
78 mutual friends
Debbie Fulcher Belch
262 mutual friends
Mary Nonimous
36 mutual friends
Patricia Woodard
38 mutual friends
Hettie Beyer
18 mutual friends
Bridget Chapman
81 mutual friends
Beloved Richi
69 mutual friends
Chris Dugger
39 mutual friends
Debbie Brown
6 mutual friends
Chrissy Ward Hinkle
193 mutual friends
Brandalyn Ziemann
7 mutual friends
Sharon Cosby
144 mutual friends
Lilo Sanchez
14 mutual friends
Brigitte Pigram

Christo Amsterdam

23 hours ago · Edited

I need to post this...My biological father has not been there for me since birth...and I know the feeling of those children who has been mistreated that way..the hurt is unbearable...I have two kids today my eldest daughter is 16 and my son Immanuel 10...Loving my kids was a Huge problem because I couldn't relate to loving was a new challenge for me especailly the "huging and kissing part" it was really hard though...I was longing and yearning to be loved and to love but on my life journey God revealed to me that the Love I was searching an looking for was right there inside of me...that revelation opened up a new perspective to love and to be loved. now I can freely Love my wife kids and everybody around me. Wow!!! — with Hal Williamson and 22 others.

Hal Williamson, Christo Amsterdam, Joe Black and 47 others like this.

Andrea Lynn Praise the Lord!!!
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Sharon Cosby Christo Amsterdam I love your transparency bro. I was in the same situation with my dad as well. And it is amazing when the Spirit reveals truth about love...that we are love all's in us and are us...LOVE. I know your wife and kids got to love this love journey you are on because as your Facebook friends we are experiencing your love and friendship on a social network perspective. You are such a blessings...
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Christo Amsterdam Thank you Sharon Cosby!
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Christo Amsterdam Somebody needs to read this...I know they wil!
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Brigitte Pigram I relate to you bro..this year is the first time in my life I started telling the people I love that I love them..I know who I am now...I will never lack again..only love..I love you prince christo xoxo
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Brigitte Pigram Oh...its also the first time 2 months ago I ever said I love you to me..
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Christo Amsterdam Wow!!! Princess.B...this is a Good year for you Michael and kids
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Brigitte Pigram

Yep...the best!!
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Brigitte Pigram Ive always been able to say it to my kids...but only them..
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Beatriz Musick

Thanks. I love you back.
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Christo Amsterdam Brigitte now you can say it to All of your Universal family.
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Linda Woods

This is so powerful. I can really relate. Thank you for sharing.
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Michelle Rivera-Torres I can relate. Thanks for sharing Christo Amsterdam
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Christo Amsterdam Wow!!! its awesome to hear your hearts speaking...
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Cherrie Brecht I can totally relate.. I'm so happy for the revelation of love inside of you, praise God! We all love you very much and appreciate your journey of awareness!
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Chandre Epnaar Praise the Lord...God is good all the time....
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Beatriz Musick I thought only perfection deserved love. It took me a very long time to realize we unconditionally love because we are love.

But also, I need to thank my lovely husband Tommy Musick that loved me before I could even love myself.
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Christo Amsterdam Beatriz Musick and Tommy Musick your Love music playes in my ears!
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Brigitte Pigram I do bro...all the think everyones gonna get sick of me saying it soon but I cant help it...its bubbling out everyday..
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Amanda Bloomfield I can absoloutely relate christo.I hàd a similar journey to you.
I was taught that I was unloveable.
I was always working to obtain love,but never feeling worthy of receiving it.
I found hugging & kissing hard too.
But thankfully that's all changed & I know how to love those I cherish.
Thanks for sharing your story friend.xx
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Christo Amsterdam Princess.B I can relate.
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Christo Amsterdam Amanda Bloomfield xoxoxo
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Julie Ferwerda What a GIFT for you and your family!
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Julie Ferwerda PS, I too had the same realization a few years ago, just before Love opened my eyes. I realized the problem in myself--in the world--is lovelessness, handed down to us by our parents, and their parents. People don't know how to love and can't love unless they have had the encounter than plants the seed of love in their hearts. It's both humbling and inspiring.
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Ghosty Love I was not with my bio parents either. I relate as well. Though I have a different concept of god I definitely know what you mean about the love and everything found inside is. Good stuff. My son is getting to experience that. though at times I catch myself being strict. My first child though so I'm learning. Lol
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Ghosty Love And I love yall too
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Brigitte Pigram I love you chris.xo
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Ghosty Love Love you to Bridget.
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Brigitte Pigram Its brigitte
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Ghosty Love I know but my phone thinks it's smarter. I've learned not to argue with it. Lol
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Brigitte Pigram Lazy is what you are!!!
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Brigitte Pigram Lol
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Ghosty Love Lmao. You figured me out!
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Brigitte Pigram Hey can you believe we are all going to b able to see eachother everyday for ever????
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Brigitte Pigram I know!!
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Brigitte Pigram Ill be like...hey ghostly..come for a cuppa..and youll just blink and voila!!! Youll b in my kitchen..
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Brigitte Pigram Im gonna b really majorly pissed if we die and thats it!!! Or I come back as a cockroach!!! Will not b happy at all!!!
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Beatriz Musick Haha. If you came back as a cockroach, you will love the cockroach too. Haha. Love is the trick.
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Brigitte Pigram Ill kill it with spray!!! Lol
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Christo Amsterdam This is how I feel right now...tears of Love and joy.

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Brigitte Pigram Wait a minute..I cant kill
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Brigitte Pigram I dont wanna b a cockroach!!!
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Brigitte Pigram If we dont spend eternity together ill be like Laaaawd WTF!!!!
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Christo Amsterdam Brigitte we wil see one another Papa wil make it possible right here on earth...and ill get that Hug.
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Brigitte Pigram I am head over heels deliriosly in love with my family!! Ive got a huuuuuuge crush on you all.xo
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Brigitte Pigram I know that brother 100% in my heart..hope we're not old tho!!
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Brigitte Pigram And my slow dance!!
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Christo Amsterdam Hahahahaha nope Brigitte I'm 44 and I'm 25 in strengh and energy...I'm not leaving this earth any time soon!
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Christo Amsterdam Oh yes you'll get that dance Lol! hehe
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Brigitte Pigram I cant wait
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Christo Amsterdam wheres my man Bola Muyis and Bridget Chapman?
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Brigitte Pigram Hes reading this
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Brigitte Pigram He should b popping in any minute..
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Bola Muyis
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Christo Amsterdam Is that all Bola Muyis? you don't have anything to say to the Family?
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Bola Muyis Christo my brother you guys have said it all... really you have. I was fortunate to have my father in my life but I was afraid of that man for a long time. He was as strict as they come. As an adult we have and enjoy a much better relationship. The thing is his father was no walk in the park. When I had my first child I saw the same mean streak growing in myself and I was distraught. Am so glad Love opened my eyes, love opened my eyes with help of most of you my family right here on facebook to be honest.... my family has not been the same.
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Suzi Chambelán Christo I still can't give my kids a hug or tell them I love them. I get you. My youngest I'm Try'n hard to coz my other 2 haven't had me saying I love you or me hugging them.
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Bridget Chapman Wow wow wow. It's so refreshing to know & connect with you Christo and many of you that you have not only been down same road of rejection but have experienced & tasted true freedom and pure love from our our only Real Papa god. My dad died when I was 14, I never knew what a father figure was supposed to be so I searched for love thru drugs and sex for many years. Omg Our father is so Faithful to open our eyes of what love is by loving ourselves which is same thing as loving god.
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Bola Muyis Suzi, you are one of the most loving from what I've seen here on Facebook... just keep on walking... remember you're perfect.
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Bridget Chapman Bola and I thinking on same minds this morning. He has opened our eyes of our hearts plain n simple.
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Bridget Chapman Exactly what Bola said Suzi.
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Christo Amsterdam Bridget Chapman Brigitte and all you guys..I'm so blessed to call you Family!.
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Christo Amsterdam Suzi you are worthy of my hug and the hugs of your kids...Love you sister!
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Bola Muyis Growing up as a child I confess there were days I wished my Dad won't come back home. I don't think he hated me at all but God he said some truly awful things... words that really hurt. Am not better than he was... but truly love has made all the difference. Thanks for sharing this Christo some things are just too painful to bring back up. But my Dad really is a good guy... I guess he just needed to "wake up" to LOVE like many of us if not ALL.
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Ghosty Love Open the eyes of my heart lor.... bolaaaa. Ha ha ha
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Ghosty Love I felt guilty for a second when my dad died because I was relieved. Though it was relief I loved him and still do.
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Bridget Chapman Christo thanks for being so transparent and vulnerable, theirs so much glory on that.
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Bola Muyis Hahahahaha Ghosty Love I remember that well
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Ghosty Love Ha ha ha it just came to me from Bridget Chapman comment
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Brigitte Pigram Suzi its gonna happen sis...sooner than later..but until it does..your kids know love better than anyone I know sis..I love you.xoxo
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Bridget Chapman Ghosty Love is another big testimony of how papa opened his eyes. Love you Chris.
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Ghosty Love I do think regardless of a perceived heaven were all the same and all together whatever form experienced.
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Ghosty Love Love you very much Bridget Chapman.
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Bola Muyis Suzi Chambelán I agree with Brigitte Pigram we love you regardless we are no better than you, we are in this together... ONE.
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Christo Amsterdam Where is Chris Dugger?
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Bola Muyis Chris Dugger where is you brother?
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Ghosty Love Teach me how to dugger.. Ha ha
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Christo Amsterdam as this thread continues we gonna have some great testimonies
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Cynthia Linox This is awesome Christo. Thank you for sharing.
My dad was an excellent provider. But I never heard him tell me he loved me. At 8yrs old he sent us to boarding school to a foreign country. I definitely did not hear it there. That was my "normal"
Knowing God has been my greatest blessing. I GOT IT FROM HIM! Now I'm free to indulge in the LVE exchange. And Thank God my husband reminds me every day.
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Jeanie Nauta beautiful in us ya
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Shelina Joy That is awesome!
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Christo Amsterdam Cynthia Linox I salute all of you for sharing your amazing stories with me...Wow!!!
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Chris Dugger WOW christo i can so relate to not loving urself and trying to get it from others like ur parents and friends and that. but im finding out that there alot of ppl that dont understand what love really is so thats why its so important to love yourself cuz when u love urself ppls opinions and their conditional love wont affect u. im still working on loving myself cuz freaking religion says no its bad to love urself its vanity and all that shit and ur selfish ifu do well who the hell said selfish was a bad word lol. also this is so awesome ive never been talked about and loved from my family and friends like all of you guys and i appreciate and love every one of you guys Ghosty Love Christo Amsterdam Bola Muyis
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Ghosty Love Big O hugs.
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Christo Amsterdam Chris Dugger you are stil on time showing up hahaha i hope you were blessed by the testimonies of the family on this thread it is really awesome to know some can relate to us!
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Christo Amsterdam I'm not just enjoying you all as Family but also learning some valuable stuff! xoxoxo
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Christo Amsterdam where is Sarah Jenkins Kawa?
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Brigitte Pigram I think shes asleep
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LeRae McBroom
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Suzi Chambelán I love you verrrry much Christo. You're a great encourager & lover. You're amazing bro.
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Christo Amsterdam LeRae McBroom perhaps you have something to say to the family...I know whether you are blessing by this awesome testimonies?
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Christo Amsterdam Suzi Chambelán I love to include you in my tags now I know why I felt that way...Love you too very verry much!
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Christo Amsterdam Brigitte Pigram my Princess you Rock as Bola says...and now I sayi t to you! xoxoxo
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Debbie Fulcher Belch Christo Amsterdam!!! You are The Perfect Example of LOVE and I Adore YOU my Dear Loving Precious Dear ONE!!!!
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Debbie Fulcher Belch Yes... Brigitte Pigram ROCKS!!!!!
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Brigitte Pigram Christo I was missing my dad all day yesterday out of the blue until I realised last night the date was when he passed away 5 years ago..xo
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Brigitte Pigram No arguments there lol
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Debbie Fulcher Belch WOW!!! Brigitte, I have those bouts too.. my Daddy will never leave my HeART...he was my hero!!! Wow... we are so much ONE!!!
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Brigitte Pigram I know!!! Christo knew.he is my seperation.xo
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Debbie Fulcher Belch Wow wow wow!!!! We are ONE... No SEPARATION!!!! our Loved Ones gone from our sight...are waiting to unite with us...Never to Fright... Never to We were taught if they were not RIGHT...oh My...what a terrible thang to tell those in grieving...oh my!!!!
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Brigitte Pigram Yep...what a lie..
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Brigitte Pigram We are connected from the beginning to the end...glory!!!
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Debbie Fulcher Belch GLOW~ry!!!!

Tuesday, 23 September 2014

The EX-Exclusives speak out on Facebook

What are some of the telltale signs that something is off kilter? Well Jesus Himself gave quite a run down in both chapter 6 of Matthew and later in chapter 23.But any people anywhere that turn back from following the Holy Spirit closely will find all the same independent self traits filing back in like expelled demons, only when they return ,they return 7 times stronger than before.
I had never really met Plymouth Brethren until I met those expelled for reasons of baptism in the Spirit. Ian McCulloch and his brother David who were in Emsworth Christian Church were both "mish kids" out in Argentina of a family that were
with the Brethren. When Ian was baptised in the Spirit he lost his own missionary position so returned to England, which was a blessing for our lives....but one wonders what he wasn't able to accomplish in missionary work because they stopped it!!!
Apparently the new ruler in chief of the Exclusive Brethren clan is a man called Bruce Hales....see what you can glean from Ex Exclusives picking over the ashes....

I tune pianos for Brethren clients. Actually they are very conducive to tuning because the lounges are always sparsely furnished, easy on the eye and not distracting. The atmosphere can be a bit Stepford wives with nothing out of place, which makes me wonder how many of the brethren pyramid structures have themselves been infiltrated by other Rothschild layering. Scientology establishments can have the same Stepford wives sterility. So about four things give away a Brethren house 1. the wives are house wives yet peculiarly they survive very well on a single male income. 2. the rooms are immaculate and simply furnished. 3. there is no TV but they will probably likely have a piano. and 4. the bookcases will appear to be stacked out with the same coloured book, but these are in fact collections of sermons from the history of the Brethren movement.

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****NOTE:****** This is a public group, anyone can read, but must be a member to be able to post.
It has been a number of weeks since one of the Administrators left this group for good reasons. So far, this group has managed to fumble along for itself which would be good if it continues as such. It would save a lot of stress, complaints both publicly and privately and it would be a shame if this group had to close down. Beginning tomorrow, there will be no hesitation in immediately removing any offending remarks when possible, that may be seen as hurtful to others. Keep calm and think before you speak.
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16 September at 19:19

I have been pondering the irony of a group who are so anti Catholic/Pope themselves setting up an elect vessel through whom all decisions have to be made.It is unbelievable really.All the teaching in the Bible about there being 'one mediator' and the curtain to the holy of holies being torn in two to give us direct access. Why oh why do they all give such importance to such an unpleasant and power seeking man. I can understand giving respect and honour to someone humble,Christlike and godly but what on the earth do they respect about Bruce??
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Graham Westie Nason it's not respect, it's "blind dogmatism"
16 September at 19:25 · Like · 1

Heather Mary Porter His immense girth ????
16 September at 19:35 · Like · 1

Chris Donald remember if anyone disagrees with bruce allmighty they would be joining our ranks within a hour or so....
16 September at 20:00 · Like · 4

Gordon Martin Fear of being blackmailed and cut off from family by the cult that has taken over every element of their lives. That's why we can call them a cult since 1959-60. More moderate at the beginning with some "no no's" but the individual's conscience was respected.. ... Now it's ruthless response to the so-called "Man of God" who has co-opted the individual's conscience.. Yes Jane, Brucie & gang have become much worse than the once disdained (by the Breth) Pope in the Vatican.
16 September at 20:19 · Like · 6

Heather Mary Porter The Pope is a lovely man and walks with the people ,doesn't ride in a blacked out windowed limo
16 September at 20:41 · Like · 3

Glenys Dent Exactly right Gordon
16 September at 22:22 · Like

Ann Kerr Jane in the 50's if you were asked about your minister by outsiders we would answer we don't have one. The connection for Australia (Sydney in particular) was when JT jnr's daughter married Bruce Hales snr. from that point it took off and the Hales were royalty. Prob there was a hot line to USA ! The type of man you describe as one you could respect etc was side-lined there were many mature in the faith Christians who could have led the brethren. The open brethren haven't had the same problem but their numbers have diminished over time. Mmmm still too strict, I like the fact God gave me a brain and a conscience!!
16 September at 22:33 · Like · 3

Gordon Martin Yes, it was very difficult for the then young me to know what to say to non-EB buddies about our non-religion religion!
16 September at 22:59 · Like · 1

Ken Wallis There are a number of differences between the Pope and the "elect vessel ". The pope is elected by a semi democratic process.... The ev is elected by his former ev. There is already joking for this position within the PBcc now. If it is possible to be worse it is looking favourable . The pope has a heart for the people the ev has only a heart for himself and his possition. It is the congregation that suffers and anyone that may ask a question not considered favourable to the ev.
17 September at 01:34 · Like · 3

Gordon Martin Agreed Ken! I find nothing "spiritual" in today's Brethren. They will make superficial changes because of the Charities Commission. As to the "flock" they're being well-fleeced and unable to respond for fear of losing family contacts, and also their income if they're tied into the "system". They may mumble their prayers and join in the hymns, but there is nothing but ritual in their meaning. Interesting how "business" especially in Oz and .."strilia" have become so prominent in their role. Clutched from NYC and the Taylors who had their kick at the can.
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Derek Kelly Yup its a ritual
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James Hamilton a day will come, if people want to keep following him - they are the silly ones
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Jane Von Der Becke I still get the impression that the elderly brethren who still would not have tv/computers and who are well removed from what is going on centrally, would not necessarily fear him but not sure if they revere him or just try and carry on like he is not there. I have met some dear old brethren through my line of work who quite genuinely love the Lord but when I chat to them and 'fess up to who I am, they can't help themselves trying to get me back 'in'. Next time I will ask what they think of Hales and see what reaction I get. It really is SO weird when you follow a doctrine of non elected leadership. CRAZY.
17 September at 07:30 · Like · 3

Alistair Deayton I remember in the late sixties some old front row brother in Glasgow saying the J T Jr. that if we didn't do something or other, and I forget, what it was, he would be the Brethren Pope. Can't remember Mr Jim's reply though
17 September at 08:09 · Like · 2

Eleanor Wills I remember how quickly younger brothers especially got behind JTJnr. They couldn't get enough of the alcoholic. 2 Timothy 2 was quoted ad nauseam and self appointed spies popped up to ensure that the many contradictory rules were being followed. I wonder why the generations were so different. Perhaps the older gentler brethren were shaped by the hardships of the 1930s Depression and the Wars whereas the younger generation who here in Aust. had things pretty easy were bored with living a simple life and wanted to feel important.
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Ann Kerr Eleanor my thoughts are that up until late 50's there were plenty of genuine Christians there. Young ones were spied on it has always been a very judgmental church. Once the senior Hales dictatorship took hold older very genuine brethren just had to go along with their orders. When alcohol was forced upon everyone, the older brethren found that difficult to accept as it was foreign territory to most. In my opinion that was the beginning of the downfall of the peebs. JT jnr is proof of the damage that was caused.
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Ken Wallis Eleanor Wills, have you noticed that the part of 2 Timothy 2 quoted and forced on members, is not scripture? JND inserted it in brackets. ( In separating himself from them) Although Revelation tells us what becomes of someone adding to the word, I doubt JND intended it to be used as gospel, but who knows?You will not find these words in the originals or King James Version and I believe they are not part of Gods word. Little wonder this church has descended into a cult.
17 September at 11:39 · Like · 4

Jane Von Der Becke I think the current PBCC version of the Bible has removed the if any PBCC are reading this and want the truth....get yourselves an old copy of JND's KJB and see for yourselves that (in separating himself from them) is inserted/added by JND in 2 Tim 2 v 21 and the whole basis of separation in PBCC is based on a thought by JND which is not in original texts of scripture. How the devil must be laughing! All that hurt/pain and family division caused by quoting a scripture that is not even real. No wonder there is a scripture warning severely against adding to the word on God....see the consequences it can have!
17 September at 12:13 · Like · 3

Glenys Dent A very good post Ken, we were forbidden from reading any other Bible translation, so we all grew up knowing nothing other than the JND version and the much mis-interpretation and twisting of scripture, that so often occurred in effort to justify the extreme ideologies that crept in particularly after JTJnr took over and this got worse and more rules were added to the list with each takeover that followed up to JSH.
Things have changed dramatically for the worse with the self-appointment of BDH. The HEBs have now become a full blown extremist CULT with no principles or Christian morals.
17 September at 12:37 · Like · 3

Eleanor Wills I was referring to 2 Timothy2.19. - 'Yet the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal,[The] Lord knows those that are his; and,Let everyone who names the name of [the] Lord withdraw from iniquity'. This was the Scripture that was quoted over and over to back the Separation Doctrine in 1959 and through the 1960s..
17 September at 13:23 · Like

Ken Wallis Yes Eleanor Wills that bit is scripture and stands, however the enfaces on separation was on the words that we're never scripture. " in separating himself from them"
17 September at 14:25 · Like · 2

Gordon Martin Who decided what was "iniquitous" ?
17 September at 14:50 · Like · 1

Deb Ghinn Who decided that one must busily separate from iniquity in others, rather than just in one's self?
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Bevan Thomas it came about through applying the separation doctrine to their physical lives, it is only intended to apply to the spiritual life... in fact they seem to apply scripture entirely to their physical life when most of it is intended for a spiritual application. There is a qualifying verse that states no one can separate from sin physically, they would have to depart the earth.
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Jill Moxham So true, Bevan. I've often reflected how impossible it is to live a 'spiritual' life in there because it's application is so distorted. They see what is regarded as 'spirit' - as having evil connotations. They believe in a 'holy spirit' which is anything but what they demonstrate. They are so removed from 'spirit' its not funny - their application of scriptural references being acted out literally, proves such.
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Bevan Thomas I have a theory that this came about by their focussing on Paul's teachings and forgetting about the teachings of Jesus, who regularly explained to the disciples the spiritual meaning and application of His physical sounding messages. Paul being a lawyer appears very legalistic when taken on his own and that I believe is where the eb's seriously stuffed up.
17 September at 23:03 · Like

Gordon Martin Frankly I just think that it was corruption cloaked with nit-picking of scriptures. "Power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts absolutely" as the saying goes.
17 September at 23:18 · Like · 3

Jill Moxham The 'Elect's' being the descended line of 'Paul's'.( So often I've heard that, that it flew over my head). Now it begins to makes more sense - I wondered why Jesus's teachings weren't followed more!.
17 September at 23:34 · Like · 3

Greg Morris "Power TENDS to corrupt" is thw actual quote. The point about physical / spiritual separation is important but I think that if we are united with Christ and dedicate ourselves to holding fast to him, we will be holy by connection to him as opposed to holy by separation from other Christians. This does not exclude physical separation which might at times be required in some circumstances.
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Jane Von Der Becke hey Greg......wondered when you would turn up....where've you been?!
18 September at 08:32 · Like

Greg Morris The brackets in 2 Timothy are quite legitimate as far as I can see. It is intended to convey the idea that purifying oneself requires movement: the complexity of such action is shown in the other instance of this verb (cited by Darby in his note on 2 Tim) 1 Cor 5:7 where the purging out seems to be physical albeit with spiritual consequences. in my 1920s version there are no brackets at all which would indicate that this interpretation of JNDs is acceptable to Exclusive Brethren generally not just Taylorites. Which explains the readiness of all branches of EB to divide rather than unite.
18 September at 08:37 · Like

Jane Von Der Becke but is removing the brackets legitimate?
18 September at 08:38 · Like

Eleanor Wills My understanding of Scripture is that an interpretation (brackets or not) is dependent on its readers' connection with the written word. I'm not sure if the word legitimate is useful here. All religions have their Bible so it is tricky to label one Bible more legitimate than another.
18 September at 08:44 · Like

Alistair Deayton The Amplified Bible puts 2 Timothy 2:21 as
" So whoever cleanses himself [from what is ignoble and unclean, who separates himself from contact with contaminating and corrupting influences] "
not physical separation
18 September at 08:49 · Like

Greg Morris Lol it depends if they were there in the first place. You will be shocked to hear, Janey, that I don't have a copy of the 1st edition. To some extent it is an editorial decision. The French version reads "Si donc quelqu'un se purifie de ceux-ci" no additional explanation is required as the reflexive nature of the verb indicates some sort of movement is required. Deb Ghinn's observation is very true: we are often very keen to purify others rather than turn the spotlight on ourselves.
18 September at 08:50 · Like

Greg Morris Darby's Translation is far from perfect. it was intended as a study bible to bring to believers the fruits of the latest textual criticism. Darby and other PBs were terribly excited at the discovery of Greek MSS which they believed would bring about a more stable Greek New Testament text based on better analysis to discern which were the most reliable texts. in that aim, JND was in the mainstream of 19th century scholarship. He went one step further. He provided detailed textual notes indicating how the versions divide up on a particular verse and what weight he gives to the ancient MSS and "modern" eg 16th century printed versions. So he is being quite open about showing how he arrives at his translation. He accepted that the AV was in desperate need of correction but does not suggest that his translation should be used in public readings of the Word. The 1881 hymnbook was bound with the AV not the "New Translation"
18 September at 09:07 · Like

Greg Morris The Amplified Bible given by Alistair seems to me to show that JND with or without brackets is quite orthodox in his translation. How his followers interpret the translation is another story!
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Bevan Thomas Greg, I prefer your point holy by connection than by personal action, 1 Cor 1:30 explains it perfectly that Christ is our righteousness, holiness and redemption which makes connection with Him the only option.
18 September at 12:12 · Like

Gordon Martin The behaviour of people to others seems to me to be more important than nit-picking over translations. The basic message of the New Testament is caring, forgiving and sacrificing for others.
18 September at 13:28 · Like · 5

Eleanor Wills I agree Gordon. The EB experience put me right off religion. I know that there are good people within the EB as there are anywhere but when one puts religion before humanity like many of our families have done then their so called Christianity is a farce. Who cares what a person believes in so long as that person behaves in a civilised way. When I left home I was amazed by the kindness and understanding that came from people outside. It was the first time that humanity was shown to me.
20 September at 12:46 · Like · 6

Bevan Thomas Yep I doubt anyone would disagree, that's what love is isn't it Gordon and Eleanor, people before anything? Perhaps it might be different for others but the REASON I like to nit-pick interpretations is to find where they went wrong so I can avoid anything like it again and maybe even turn the genuine ones from their ways. my motive is people first unconditionally. The interesting thing about religious authority is that the people under them demand it, feel secure under it and feel righteous when they obey it, they don't follow God they follow human authority manipulating God, the people insist on it. How can you fight that?
21 September at 01:41 · Like · 4

Greg Morris Spot on, Bevan. I would add that if nit-picking gives us a more reliable text of the Hebrew and Greek Bibles and other Versions, we will not be worse off but greatly enriched.
21 September at 08:47 · Like

Deb Ghinn Jane I think it is EB habit (certainly Taylorite EB) to just automatically tell themselves that their leader IS humble,Christlike and godly no matter what they get up to. Those three descriptors can be used to cover a multitude of sins and character traits and behaviours, when one is not using one's critical faculties properly (or never got to develop them in the first place).
21 September at 09:32 · Like · 3

Gordon Martin Each of us has a personal approach to understanding the Bible. Obviously some like the Breth can use it to support their disgusting behaviour. And then there are those who have never read or heard the Bible who can be kinder and more forgiving than those who poke their noses into the "Good Book" every day.
21 September at 11:59 · Like · 1

Jane Von Der Becke I guess in the days of the 'no internet / computers' ruling it must have been hard for UK EB to know much about what the MOG was up to but these days I hope a few of them have enough curiosity to read some of these posts and at least start to wonder whether he is quite as special as he would like them to believe!
21 September at 18:08 · Like · 4

Ken Wallis Jane, just read the spin by. Tony McCorkel in the nz press covering the mog visit to nz. They are using the very services' they banned and withdrew from people for using to keep the flock with the wool over their eyes. The only way they are" not that different" is the fact that so many, including Tony are morbidly obese. And even in that the percentage is way above average,but it's ok because the mog is.
21 September at 23:57 · Like · 2

Ash Ghinn I got into bible translation styles once, but I've seriously lapsed! There's a whole range of styles from "formal equivalence" (like Darby and KJV) where they try and translate word for word and keep the original form, right through to paraphrase (like Good News), where they forget original form and rephrase each sentence to be best understood in the reader's language.

So the formal equivalence method would translate the French phrase "que est-ce que ce est?" as "what is it that it is?", whereas the paraphrase method would translate it as "what is it?" or "what's that?".

People argue endlessly about the superiority of each translating method, with those preferring a more literal "formal equivalence" style usually bemoaning those awful paraphrase translators for taking liberties with the original text and putting their own fanciful interpretation on the words. So for Darby to provide a detailed description ("in separating himself from them") to the original writer's meaning of the word "ekkathairo" (to cleanse) he makes a big departure from the traditional formal equivalence principle, and must have been cock sure of himself to do so.
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Greg Morris Darby doesn't strike me as a man lacking in confidence! Most translations of this word are translating as it were kathairo to purify or cleanse. I think Darby is trying to bring out the nuance of ekk which in classical authors seems to be understood as purging out thoroughly. Tyndale often drops the formal equivalence to excellent effect. Joseph was a "lucky fellow". On the other hand he recognises a good metaphor can be literally translated. "The eyelids of the dawn" is a similar literal metaphor used at Job 41:18. If you read that "before you stands an open door" the metaphor is powerful. You don't need to be patronised by a translator announcing that "there are plenty of opportunities ahead" Too much paraphrase is very tiring: it is a good seasoner but I think that used too much it leads to very flabby prose.
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Glenys Dent Eleanor, I hear you, I experienced the same. I agree 100%

Thursday, 18 September 2014

Fellowship Flow

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What does in Genesis 15 format mean?
 Well after 2 years in a Thread I realised what was obvious to me wasn't obvious even to others believing the truth behind Galatians 2:20.
Hebrews 4 or the flaming pot of fire hovering between open carcasses is not everyone's idea of
"Where two or three are gathered in My Name, there I AM is in your midst."

I WAS is OK.
I WILL BE is OK...
but not I AM.

Thursday, 11 September 2014

Matcha Green Tea and yet another compound to combat the Zombification of our pineal gland

L-Theanine is mentioned as a component of Green Tea
What do you know? helps concentrate the mind in meditation....among countless other benefits.

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Unsweetened almond milk can be used if you are attempting to lose weight. The mono-unsaturated fat contained in almonds satisfies appetite and prevents over-eating. The dietary fiber in almons also

contributes to the sensation of being full, despite eating only a small amount. Studies have revealed that an almond-rich, low calorie diet is good for obese people to assist in shedding their excess weight. Almonds are a source of many nutrients which help in the development and health of the human brain. Almonds also two vital brain nutrients, riboflavin and L-carnitine, which have been shown to increase brain activity, resulting in new neural pathways and a decreased occurrence of Alzheimer’s disease. It also helps to increaensity lipoproteins (LDL).
Spinach is a very nutrient-dense food. It has an extremely high nutritional value and is rich in antioxidants. It is a good source of vitamins A, B2, C and K, and also contains magnesium, manganese, folate, iron, calcium and potassium. When you consume this healthy food, you don’t need to worry about your weight-loss diet as you take in abundant, good-for-you nutrients. The flavonoids and antioxidants found in spinach, particularly the antioxidant beta-carotene, have been shown in multiple studies to help combat many cancers.

Drinking Water Helps Maintain the Balance of Body Fluids. Your body is composed of about 60% water. The functions of these bodily fluids include digestion, absorption, circulation, creation of saliva, transportation of nutrients, and maintenance of body temperature. Water Can Help Control Calories. While water doesn’t have any magical effect on weight loss, substituting it for higher calorie beverages can certainly help. Choose water or a non-caloric beverage over a caloric beverage and/or eat a diet higher in water-rich foods that are healthier, more filling, and help you trim calorie intake.
Matcha Green Tea
Like we said, Matcha Green Tea is an Incredible super herb that boosts immunity, increases metabolism, fights disease, lowers stress and tastes great! It is also a powerhouse of antioxidants. Antioxidants are powerful and much needed. You get loads of antioxidants when you juice fresh organic vegetables and you can also get it with drinking tea. One cup of matcha tea provides more antioxidants and nutritional value than 10 cups of green tea. - See more at: 

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Wednesday, 10 September 2014

Cut Out The Middle Man

"Rich Novek , 2 or 3 years back I said to Paul Anderson-Walsh I'd like to do a tour...possibly outside churches...maybe almost flashmob style gatherings in shopping malls as was kind of prophesied on my double CD 1990/91....actually way before most of the current big UK malls existed...
and I said I'd call it the "Cut Out the Middle Man Tour"....which is a double pun.
it means

a. cut out the middle man "selfpowered soul delusion" but also ofcourse
b. the New covenant of Jeremiah man will say to his brother "Know the Lord" for they shall all know me from the least to the greatest."

The gifts of the Ascended Christ are an interesting phenomenon. Apart from the Apostolic Movement of the 1920s,to 1950s, which was the initial rediscovery, we are the first generation to know the firstfruits of apostolic and prophetic ministry since the Church was founded. Nothing is simple however. Well it really is, but when it collides with our flesh isn't.
We now have a residue generation, some of which are burnt out with the whole idea, and the rest live in these rather fantasy apostolic pyramids. As usual with flesh stuff they are both wrong. Kind of like the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil version of church ministry gifting.

For about 30 years some of us have laid the whole subject down not knowing if we'd see it again. But as usual, the Holy Spirit is up to something. We have had to die to the Zeus Mentality of Apostolic gifting. That isn't what an apostle is.
But it doesn't mean there are no apostles!!! They have had to be put back in the refrigerator waiting for a generation purged enough to actually benefit from real ones.
Write this down: An apostle lays a foundation of Christ and Christ crucified. He comes into your midst and sniffs...."can I sense Christ and Christ crucified here in this gathering? Is there a gift of faith I can impart?"
He DOESN'T franchise a name like Salt and Light Ministries, or Pioneer Ministries, or New Frontiers Ministries.....thinking that will in any way make up for the fact that JESUS JUST ISN'T THERE WHEN HE LEAVES.    Facebook status 10th September 2014