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Tuesday, 22 January 2013

Clearing Old Covenant Law out of the House

The Tithing issue is a bolt out of the blue for me. I was having some more thoughts today while working. See, it's not, or I thought it's not ,even a primary issue thing. All of a sudden Julie Anne O'Connor Morris and Bertie Brits were talking about it about 4 years ago. As one born again in the 70s Jesus Move...it was just something that was universally accepted like breaking bread or baptism in water. My primary goal on here is to share "the missing link" that is in the gospel of the New Testament, but pretty well unknown today....which 1. Explains the lack of corporate power even though we now know about the Holy Spirit and 2. Explains why unlike in the Bible, people don't even bother with our charismatic churches....there's no need for persecution, there's nothing there to persecute!!!! Then this issue of tithing randomly emerges. Well today I was feeling that it had a symmetry with an event in Jesus time. Yesterday I said " In order to see the power of God, sometimes we have to make holes in religious men's ceilings." Let's look at what Jesus was doing in His time. he was taking a people of God that were in one stage of knowing into another level. The Israelites understood that forgiveness came from God.They had an "outercourts" relationship with God. Jesus took 12 men and showed them how to operate in a Holy Place relationship with God. He started to take them into the innercourts. A place of power and the Holy Spirit. Before He was going to move everyone in , in Acts 2, He did something prophetically, to clear the way. HE REMOVED TRADE from the Temple declaring it a House of Prayer FOR THE NATIONS.
Well, in preparing the way for a HOLIEST PLACE CHURCH, A THIRD LEVEL CHURCH, A PSALM 91 CHURCH, God is now clearing the Inner courts of TRADE. He is making it clear and known by independent servants of the Lord that the whole TITHING SYSTEM, which was never a part of the New Covenant IS TO CEASE ! It is a symbiotic system which supports those who shouldn't even be in ministry and has a negative spiritual power, just as the temple traders did in Jesus day, which actually prevents the move to the NEXT LEVEL.~Chris Welch~
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  • Netivyah Tracy Zimmermann Wow, that is so wrong.
  • Deborah Prater Samples What do you feel is wrong?
  • Robert L Williams I was still give whats GODS
  • Havis Gabbard What about Mt 23:23
  • Netivyah Tracy Zimmermann It is not for man to end what YAH has instituted.
  • Havis Gabbard When did the eternal God change his mind and break his eerlasting covenant with the seed of Abraham whose seed we are by faith.
  • Linda Dean Tithing is a LAW. We are no longer under any law.
  • Havis Gabbard Beg your pardon tithing existed long before the law.
  • Al Hall B.C.297 Malachi chapter 3' You must ''REMEMBER'' this Bible' has been twisted, by this' and the last Generations..NO DISRESPECT, too the Bible...I red about all the books ! 10%, give what YOU CAN, and SMILE... Remember the POOR WIDOW in the GOSPEL..? Smile SISTER God is GOOD. !~ I have forgot, with all this Pounded, of the Spiritual Realm... Look at the Hands... SEE THE HOLES...Galatians 2:20... If you are, on this Level,never worry about Pass. Smile' When YOU get Marry... RICHER or POORER !~
  • Robert L Williams there is a Huge difference in temple trade and Tithing
  • Linda Dean When people UNDER THE LAW tithed, they gave 10th of their SPICES, not money
  • Linda Dean AL Malachi was the OLD LAW
  • Robert L Williams "He is making it clear and known by independent servants of the Lord that the whole TITHING SYSTEM, which was never a part of the New Covenant IS TO CEASE !"" thats what was Quoted above, Independent servants of the lord... sounds like a bunch of hog wash to me .. Just sayin... Too Pay or Not to pay... To GIVE or not to Give, u decide! God will be the judge in the end, and we will give an account ! BLESSINGS
  • Larry Johnstone Tithing is an act of faith.
    It is a work of faith just as baptism is.
    Paul taught on this subject in Hebrews 7th chapter in reference to Abraham and not to Moses and the law.

    Who do men give witness to that he lives? We all know we give witness to Jesus Christ being raised from the dead.

    Jesus Christ recieves tithe when men give a tithe God according to this verse from Hebrews 7

    Hebrews 7:8
    And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth .

    ....there he receiveth them....whom it is witnessed that he liveth..

    Men have corrupted tithing but name any subject men have not corrupted...including marriage, yet we do not stop believing in marriage because men have corrupted it.
  • Havis Gabbard Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. Tithing existed over 400 years before the law it is a part of Abraham's covenant which he made with God and bound his seed to that covenant forever. The law only relay what the covenant had made know.
  • Linda Dean . It was part of the law for the nation of Israel. God said it was. He said tithing was (1) for the nation of Israel to give, (2) for the tribe of the Levites to receive, and (3) was of the Law. Even in the New Testament this is clear. "Now consider how great this man [was], unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a COMMANDMENT to take tithes of the people ACCORDING TO THE LAW". Heb 7:4-5. "And at that time were some appointed over the chambers for the treasures, for the offerings, for the firstfruits, and for the tithes , to gather into them out of the fields of the cities THE PORTIONS OF THE LAW for the priests and levites...." Neh 12:44.

    "And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree, [is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD.… 34 These [are] the COMMANDMENTS, which the LORD COMMANDED MOSES for the children of Israel in mount Sinai". Levi 27: 30-34. (Tithing was of the Law of Moses
    , tithing is never, never mentioned to any of the New Testament churches. There are many that feel if tithing is not taught today, then no one would give anything. That may be true for some, but I believe that real Christians will be led of the Holy Spirit to give and to give all, if necessary for God's work and to help other saints in need.

    It seems to me that most churches today have gotten themselves in this mess because most operate as businesses, and when they do, they must have a source of revenue in order to operate the business, and must have an executive or businessman to run the business. But, early churches did not operate as businesses, because God did not set them up to run that way
  • Al Hall ''TRUE'' indeed... Its a spiritual War, Over this Money... 2 Corinthians 9:7 Render Cesar' what is Cesar,and GOD WHAT IS GOD...Show me, WHO Substitution is THIS, and the Roman' Saith, Cesar,WHAT did the JESUS Said...
  • Linda Dean Deobrah you are spot on!!!
  • Linda Dean Al Hall say what??? That statement does not make sence
  • Linda Dean AL, your talking about the yearly TAX that they gathered, that's not a tithe.
  • Havis Gabbard If u hold to that argnent then try a new testament offering. Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
    46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 2 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
  • Linda Dean to teach that God wants tithing in New Testament churches today, when He nowhere said in His word that He does. We should obey God and not men. Men today command tithing, but God has nowhere commanded New Testament churches to tithe. "… let God be true , but every man a liar;…." Rom 3:4. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for teaching that you can't do anything on the Sabbath, even good things. They twisted this Law to be a burden to others. They made it appear as God's word and Jesus said, no, you are "Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition," Mk 7:13. It seems that tithing has also become a tradition or commandment of men in today's churches. "Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth." Titus 1:14. This verse says that when you follow commandments of men rather than what God says, that you will turn from the truth. More and more, you will turn from the truth. Tithing today, what tomorrow?
  • Havis Gabbard You still have not addressed Jesus' endorsement of tithing in Mt 23:23
  • Linda Dean Havis that's GIVING< not to be confused with TITHING. If you really want to tell the truth here, all so called churchs today should be like that. Everyone sell everything they have, so that NO ONE LACKS. Yeah, when you find a true church like that........get back at me.
  • Havis Gabbard You must half read I said it was an offering not tithing
  • Linda Dean What about Matthew 23:23 Havis?? Lets look at it..Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! rFor you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, LOOK <<<<< tithe of mint and anise and cumin SPICES. Remember, these people were still UNDER the LAW.. Jesus didn't say pay your money
  • Linda Dean 1000 apologies Deborah, didn't mean to take over your page, but this is one subject the Body of Christ is totally ignorant on.
  • Steve Yong Kim Rich or poor God is no respecter of men. And since men have a wicked heart and if men are allowed to determine how much to give to God, are they not playing God now?

    Rich or poor, God made it equal playing field. Give 10% flat rate. Simple is it not?
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  • Havis Gabbard Linda Sears your last statement is absolutely untrue. that Jesus was operating under the law in Mt 23:23. Luk_16:16 (KJV) The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. The law and the prophets ceased with John the baptist.
  • Linda Dean Steve, if you want to stay under the law, well, now, God Bless ya there, however, IM under GRACE. Remember you law keepers, you keep one law, scripture says you have to keep them ALL............
  • Linda Dean Havis, go back and read all 616 laws k?
  • Chris Welch Tunji Ayoade Chris, do u know it is the whole dismantling of the sonship message snail mailing ministry too. I watched that uprooted too.
    Giving should be 100% of urself to Him. Then He takes what He wants at whatime, where, how, materially, emotionally etc etc!!!. Amen
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    Tunji Ayoade What if it's ur sleep He wants to take. Lol.
  • Linda Dean Jesus was under the law as he was the high Priest.
  • Juan Araujo i really dont comment but here it goes. I tithe everything my bonus checks my tax returns and my paycheck. And the God of Abraham ,Isaac and jacob whos name happens to be Jesus has never let me down. Im thank my pastor preaches tithing offerings and sacraficial offerings. How can one call themselves Apostolics when you question the word of God. How can tiu call your self apostolic and not share the gospel.
  • Havis Gabbard Linda I reat the bible
  • Steve Yong Kim There is a Big difference between ceremonial law and LAW. Can I steal? Can I lie? Can I cheat?

    Grace is there to help us get things right with God. It is not there so we can do what we desire.

    Romans 3:31(AMP) Do we then by [this] faith make the Law of no effect, overthrow it or make it a dead letter? Certainly not! On the contrary, we confirm and establish and uphold the Law.

1 comment:

Daniel Yordy said...

Here are the most radical statements God makes in the New Testament concerning the law through both Paul and the writer of Hebrews.

1. The law is the ministry of death. (2 Cor. 3)
2. The law is the strength of sin. (1 Cor. 15)
3. The law was given to kill everyone on the cross of Christ. (Romans 3)
4. All Christians MUST cast out the law and all who attempt to live by the law. (Galatians 4)
5. Jesus nailed the law to the cross. (Col. 2)
6. God does not like the law at all and thus replaced it entirely. (Heb 8)
7. If you do any part of the law, you have turned your back on Christ. (Gal 3)
8. Not one ounce of life ever comes from doing any law. (Gal 3)
9. Do not allow anyone to tell you that you have to keep some sort of "Sabbath." (Col. 2)
10. The law only applies to people alive on this earth. Since I am dead, it no longer applies to me. (Romans 7)
11, All who do the law are cursed by God. (Gal 3)
12. Anything I want to do is completely lawful for me. (1 Cor. 6)

When Jesus said that the law must be fulfilled, He meant that no one can escape the death required by the law. It kills everyone.

A brother suggests that God will keep His covenant with Israel. Yes, He did. The covenant requires the death of all who break it. All broke it. All died - in Christ upon the cross. The Old Covenant is kept in all of its terms.