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Saturday, 30 November 2013

The Fullness of God! by Rich Novek



The physical body of Jesus Christ was filled to the fullness with the Word, so much so He could only do what He saw His Father doing.

He was and still is the fullness of God!


For IN Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and IN Him all things hold together. And He is the Head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that IN everything He might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell IN Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things IN heaven, by making peace through His blood, shed on the Cross. Colossians 1:15-20

In order to be the fullness there has to be a complete emptying, and could it be possible, that instead of us waiting on God, He is the One who is waiting on us? Waiting for the time we finally see the hidden mystery of His fullness, which was in fact His being “poured out” for us!

How else can something be filled with one thing unless it’s first completely emptied of the thing it was filled with?

I am “poured out” like water,
And all my bones are out of joint;
My heart is like wax;
It is melted within me.

My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
And my tongue cleaves to my jaws;
And You lay me in the dust of death. Psalm 22:14-15

But even if I am being “poured out” like a drink offering on the sacrifice and service coming from your faith, I am glad and rejoice with all of you. So you too should be glad and rejoice with me. Philippians 2:17-18

For I am already being “poured out” like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who (NOW) long for His appearing. II Timothy 4:6-8

“Though often understood as a reference to his impending death, it is more likely that Paul understood the struggles and toils of his apostolic ministry as a libation upon the sacrificial service of the churches among which he ministered (see Gerald F. Hawthorne, Philippians. Word Biblical Commentary 43 [Waco: Word, 1983], pp. 104-6). In the OT, the libation was offered as a portion of the fruits of the worshiper’s labor, so it is fitting for Paul to speak of his labor as a libation. His labor was OFFERED UP AS A DRINK FOR GOD, as wine to make His heart glad. But, as is appropriate to a better covenant, it is not only the Lord who drinks the wine of joy, but also the people: hence, Paul says that he shares the joy of his libation-labor with the Philippians, and asks them to respond by pouring their libations out upon him (2:17-18).” (Biblical Horizons Newsletter)

“Drink offerings of blood” is used in allusion to the heathen practice of mingling the blood of animals sacrificed with wine or water, and POURING OUT THE MIXTURE in the worship of the gods, and the idea conveyed is that the psalmist would not partake of the abominations of the heathen.” (Psalm 16:4 Easton’s Bible Dictionary)

Being “poured out” is what happens when the believer finally sees the “mystery” found in the power of the Cross. Jesus was poured out as was Paul, so what about us?

How can we see ourselves as being filled with the fullness of the complete and unadulterated pure Life of His Son, when there is a danger of any remains of the “mixture” of serving and worshiping another master? That is unless we allow Him to take us to and through the Cross? The Cross being the personal revelation (our daily Cross) where we finally see (with the single eye of Faith) there is no possible way we can serve Him while we are also serving something (or someone) else, especially ourselves.

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be “single”, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil (double), thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the One, and love the other; or else he will hold to the One, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. Matthew 6:22-24

Or is it possible for us to serve God and anything else!

What was it that got me thinking about all this?

Recently, while praying with Linda and our ministry partner, Joan, I had a picture in my mind of a bottling plant, a pure water plant, such as is owned by the companies who make Smart Water or Aquafina. And in it I saw all of these tainted water bottles coming down this massive assembly line. I could tell by looking at them that they were not pure water, but a mixture of pure water and something else.

It was then the Lord said to me, “These containers were not completely emptied before being filled, and the result is now a “mixture” that isn’t fit for me or anyone else to drink.”

When referring to the believer, Jesus used several different examples.

In John 15 He calls the believer IN Christ a branch. I am the Vine you are the branches. So what is the purpose of the branch, but for the channel or container of the life giving sap produced by the Vine? We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit. The church today has developed such a fixation on the temple’s outward appearance so that it fails in conveying to others it’s one true purpose, which is to contain God. He also refers to us as vessels. The vessel, whose sole purpose is to contain whatever is poured into it, be it water, wine, or what have you.

The purpose of the (daily) Cross is for the “pouring out” of whatever the container contains, so it can be filled to the fullness with the “New” thing…that being His very Life!

For you have died (been emptied) and your life is NOW hidden with Christ (in His fullness) IN God! Colossians 3:3

The suffering we endure in coming to the end of our resources is not just for the sake of suffering alone, as many today believe, but is in fact the only “gateway” to seeing and knowing the “Glory” of being emptied by God, only to be filled to overflowing with the fullness of God.

And if the Word “became” flesh is the Son. (John 1:14) Then the Word “become” flesh…are the adopted Son’s! The son’s of the New Covenant, the ones who are right here and right NOW no less filled with the fullness of God’s Word.

Therefore if any man be IN Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are “become” new. II Corinthians 5:17

We are the earthen vessels, the jars of clay, that He Himself has chosen to express His own life IN and through by means of the Spirit who is NOW willing and doing within us! (Philippians 2:13)

But until we are completely “poured out” of “All” that can in any way taint the pure revelation of seeing only Him IN all things, what Paul called losing his life, we will never be able to see ourselves as the true containers of the fullness of God!

The institutional church today is like an assembly line of tainted containers, polluted by their own independent bent of trying to preserve the life they still dare call their own, while trying to live FOR God in their own strength. And they do this, not knowing the One who they are resisting, the One living, moving, and having His being IN and through them, is the same One who is taking them to be “poured out” at the foot of the Cross.

The fullness of God?

In the same way God is only able to resurrect that which is dead, so is He only able to completely fill what He Himself has emptied. And while many within the Body of Christ still hold to the belief that it’s we who are waiting on God, could it be just the opposite? Could it be it’s really Him who is waiting on us?

And waiting for what?

Waiting for us to finally come to the Cross, without any pretense or self preserving strings attached, and in a way much like the younger (Prodigal) son, who finally came to the end of all of his “own ways.”

We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to HIS OWN WAY; and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:6

There is only ONE WAY, TRUTH, and LIFE!!!

There is no one righteous, not even one;
there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.” Romans 3:11-12

And He does this “pouring out” not for punishment sake, but for a wonderful eternal purpose beyond anything we could ever imagine!

We are being completely “poured out” of our own way, and a life focused on “taking a thought for our own life”…SO THAT we can experience the privilege of sharing in the sufferings of the unseen Faith OF the Son of God. Galatians 2:20

Being completely emptied so as to finally know what it is to be filled to overflowing with…the fullness of God!

Wednesday, 27 November 2013

Letter to a pile of Galations 2:20 stones

They aren't a church, hence the title. They are the pioneers of Galatians 2:20 believing as a little Move of God all over the world, meeting originally at events organised by Norman Grubb, then forming groups such as Union Life, Zerubbabel, christasus.org However, for some reason, they do not flow very readily with the generation behind them.

26 November 2013 at 15:29
Folks, I pray that you would  humbly give this attention,

"God called our age group like some form of corporate Abraham to a dimension of church that was beyond Pentecostalism, that was actual meetings held where the Body could be the Body for the first time since the early days.
Everything we experienced was God switching on systems in the Spirit...but in a baby way.
Without the Nancys, the Freds the Johns the Sylvias we'd still be spiralling around in our wilderness having to practically reinvent the same wheel that Norman took 70 years to unpack. Obviously it's not reinvented, because it was always there...but it IS reinvented for our day in a way that is much much easier to get hold of, and far quicker than before."

I wrote this the other day and Nancy left our little thread.

Saints, I have to be honest. You guys have been so gobsmackingly aweinspiring , some of the awe has confused me.
I realise I have no clout amongst you, but I must put this down so you understand what is happening, or refer to it later if you are interested.

You have been used as you know to transplant the main burden of Norman's message Romans 6 to 8 to individuals or any small groups that would listen.. . In heavenly sanctuary terms your generation has introduced people to the fact that there exists a third stage of mature growth, and that one main key experience of Romans 7 failure leads to the wonderful discovery of Galatians 2:20. This is corporately a form of "the second half of the Holy Place". Or section 2 B to be crude.

Most of you have had such crushing experiences you already have put on Christ properly in a great many ways...so chunks of thirdleveldom are showing through. Rich Novek particularly likes the love atmosphere, and many have probably told you about it.

Because you will be waiting for the "But this I have against you" bit, I won't keep you in suspense. Here are some telltale foundations first.

When Jesus said unless you become as little children you cannot enter the Kingdom...that's actually what He meant.
He didn't mean....after you have entered you can put your suit tie or ballgown back on. Each new door in the Spirit we enter as children. Or we don't.

No generation to my knowledge has entered more than about two doors. Joshua and Caleb just about managed all three regions...Egypt....the wilderness....the Land. Moses didn't. The struggle in becoming a child each time is just too great. Joshua was just feeling quite cool if you remember when an angel appeared and Joshua asked if he was for them or against them? The word came back...NO. What did he mean NO, that's the wrong answer to a binary question? The angel was speaking one layer deeper down. The question came from a wrong view of who was in charge.

Psalm 45: 16 and 17 describes a new process.....and I do mean NEW...in the earth.
In place of your fathers will be your sons;
You shall make them princes in all the earth.
17 I will cause Your name to be remembered in all generations;
Therefore the peoples will give You thanks forever and ever.

The world and churches have already mimicked this with the worst of all possible options....not only are they sidelining the silverhaired wise...they certainly are giving ruling places to youngsters instead....but people who are still stuck in their own narcissism...in other words selflove fools. It would be better the old still ruled.

The vision this psalm is talking about is staggering.
It's talking about NOT SILVERHAIRED WISE PEOPLE, but a generation brought forth like Jesus....to be wise in their 30s, to be already thirdlevellers at a young age.

So how can that happen?
Three ways. And I think you know two of them.
The slow way....which doesn't really count, because it takes too many decades to produce thirdlevel young men.This is the Norman Grubb method. Virtually everyone here is far too old already for Psalm 45.

Well what about smashing up society so much that everyone is so desperate when they come into the Kingdom, like say Mary Magdalen, they move really fast? She was the first to actually listen to Jesus and be there at the resurrection tomb, remember?  or Sergei Kourdakov who blasted through at a rate of knots to be a thirdleveller by his twenties, by virtue of all the gulags he'd been in , as well as swimming the Baltic to get out of Communist Russia. "If i'm dead in a few months , he said, it will be the KGB."  He was suicided in Canada around 1972 or 1973.

Again , the Norman Grubb Light swallows up Dark method...but accelerated. So we'd better go along with the New World order then, and let them smash the fabric of society?

Luckily there is a third method. And this is new. It began again around 1950.
Jeremiah 31
22
“Set up for yourself roadmarks,
Place for yourself guideposts;
Direct your [k]mind to the highway,
The way by which you went.
Return, O virgin of Israel,
Return to these your cities.
22 “How long will you go here and there,
O faithless daughter?
For the Lord has created a new thing in the earth—
A woman will encompass a man.”

Before discussing this, I will slip in another telltale foundation.
The first was...unless you become as a little child, you cannot enter my Kingdom.

The second is "But you DID laugh." Genesis 18:15
If anybody can remember Norman...how he was...it is absurd that this man, on one level should be so important to the Kingdom last century. Outer appearances lie. How crazy that the singlemost great key to the world church should come through such an unlikely fella. He wasn't even Pentecostal and by far the biggest movers and shakers otherwise were.

Our generation get the same treatment from you lot. It is fantastically absurd that we should have anything in the Spirit to bring to you. Just the idea of it is so absurd Nancy, and in her, all of you, voted with her feet. I say all of you because dear Nancy is the only one of any of you who have had the amount of patience with our agegroup. Apart from Mikkel and Ole....but they are really Norman clones or Fred Pruitt clones...they also treat the bunch of us from the 70s with the same laughter as Sarah in Genesis 18. Were it the same laughter as Abraham in chapter 17, which is more the laugh of faith like Toronto? 

(Subsequently Fred assured me Ole was in no way a Norman or Fred clone....and Mikkel refers only to the words of faith spoken over all people everywhere ...that Christ already is THE ALL IN ALL. But as I said to Fred...if Jesus is in all of us....at some point in some way...it must be the same Jesus...and it must eventually manifest. There are important joining pieces which God REVEALS He has already provided!!! This by the way is the BODY switching on its own systems...joined by that which every joint , when working properly....supplies. According to Mikkel and Fred I am not working properly yet and still have to see stuff. I like Rich Novek's Philippians verse...so let us live up to what we have already attained....why? Because we can be confident that the Holy Spirit is building and will build the rest. The land of appearances may be a LIAR of the first order....but even now we have two things going for us....

But now we do not yet see all things subjected to him.

But we do see Him who was made [j]for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus,because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor,....

so the first is the inner seeing of Jesus, the second is when two or three  gather in My Name, there am I in your midst. 

Both of these are realities NOW!

You see God IS DOING SOMETHING NEW IN THE EARTH which because of people like Ole he wrote down thousands of years ahead of time so that you'd get it....and perhaps after awhile your scorn will die down.

Ole's phrase for it, ( and I guess he got this from Fred) is speculative.

This is like the Word of the Lord to Mary " You shall bear a son," "But I haven't known a man." Well now try and imagine a Norwegian Mary who has just changed sex to female, and has a camera strapped to his front to capture the Angel as He talks. And this Ole Mary, says to the angel face to face...."Mere speculation."

And you have some idea of what is happening in the Spirit these very days.

See God doesn't ask Fred what he thinks about it all. He has already started rolling it out in the natural anyway, just as the same "new thing" of psalm 45:16 is also being rolled out, kind of disastrously...well there are many good elements. So now, for the first time in history we have women running huge corporations, running countries. A woman shall cover a man....encompass a man. One of the main figures at the moment has to be Sylvia(Pearce)...and she errr...last time I looked was female.

God's third method for producing princes in the earth while still young men is the CHURCH. But like not one of you know. You've had a tabernacle version. A quick whoopsie do version at your conferences. But you are not in a locality, so not one of you has experienced a local church founded and raised in Galations 2:20. Norman almost preached it as an impossibility. And Mikkel, and Nancy and I suppose all of you think the same.

But you are forgetting the laughter of God.
Nothing is impossible for God.

Once, during Martin Luther's time, it would seem incredible to believe that you'd get as many as two people ever born again in one city.
But God has faithfully been doing two things ever since....both things represented by the rolling out of the Living Waters from underneath the throne. The characteristic of the River is strange...because the FURTHER it goes from the SOURCE the deeper it gets,,,which is physically impossible!!!!
Errrr exactly!

The two things ofcourse are that each revival has penetrated deeper into the heavenly tabernacle...the outer courts, the inner courts...and soon to be the Holy of Holies....but also rolling out the Word in greater and greater numbers. It's not uncommon for thousands upon thousands to be born again and baptised in the Spirit on one day in Africa with Rheinhard Bonnke.

I want to now connect 40 years ago with today. This very week.You. And us. Because we are different.

Another telltale foundation.
You would have thought that when us bunch of denominational people got baptised in the Spirit we'd flow quite naturally in with the pentecostal move. Why not? We're all baptised in the Spirit now....we all believe the same , right?  Except the Jesus Move was 60 -70 years after the Pentecostal Move. God's Cloud had moved. We didn't blend in at all. In fact for a long while Pentecostals kept themselves to themselves. Do you know in the UK, the Baptists actually accepted the charismatic move more than the Pentecostals?

Why?

Because the 70s Move started to transmit the "NEW thing" from the 1950s manifest Sons movement. People began sharing the vision of the Church.
 This is a vision of Church which comes down from above. It is run from above. Your whole understanding has to come by revelation or else you end up like Nancy who always refers to "church" as a carnal entity inherited downstream, uninterrupted out of Catholicism. And that is how you all talk about it. But anyone in the 70s Move does not talk in those terms, but in warm , born again, come out of heaven terms.  Pentecostal churches were meetings you went into, like most of American churches today, and if you put Holy Ghost glasses on, all you see are piles of stones in a room. All relating to God vertically and walking in and out vertically, praying vertically,in power ministries vertically...etc etc

God began breaking that with YWAM. With the Fisherfolk and Graham Pulkingham. With John Wimber in the 80s.
But nobody had a Galatians 2:20 consciousness, so it just went as far as it could go. Kind of like IHOP Kansas today. Or Bill Johnson's place Bethel , Redding.

However...THOSE ARE REAL SPIRIT PLACES....but they may or not be quite ready for sharing Total Truth in. However most of the nascent Spirit procedures of a true third level church gathered in a locality have already started unwrapping. There are things we will be able to do as third level churches which will simply blow our minds. And that is one of the big things so evident on facebook, even with a daily consciousness of Christ in our every day. All of us were brought up in the Western world simply locked up in our leftbrains. You can't do much Christ stuff locked in your leftbrain. Power doesn't reside in our conscious thought. Goodness knows where it does reside. All i know is the Holy Spirit unlocks parts of our beings we didn't know were there. Raised by physics teachers I had no idea I was a musician type until Spirit baptised.

Church,  the Bride,Coming out of heaven,a Temple not made with hands.....

The CHURCH is the WOMAN that encompasses the MANCHILD....the MATURE MAN.
The vison of the Church is a double Vision. It's a double procedure. It is both the WOMAN but a woman giving birth to a new corporate Christ.
 It's a mystery. But it's true. Through history it has been true.
If you only know preaching.
If you only know singing together for a few minutes...
you have no clue as to what a true church is or does.
A true church takes you as deep into the places of God as you can fear to go. Sometimes you will be minutes or hours doing nothing...just on your face.
Everything that is true of us as individuals is true as Church...but maxed OUT!!!
It is the ladder upon which angels ascend and descend...when you only thought it was a stone pillow.
It is the portal through which you go into Eternity...whenever you meet
It is the PLACE of the NOW GOD.....and expectancy
(It's like the cupboard into Narnia)
It's the INCARNATION of a FELLOWSHIPPING GOD, something an individual can never be.
It IS the joy of the whole earth...it's just that hardly any Christians know that, and an Illuminati indoctrinated world definitely don't know that.
It's the PLACE Christ as ME becomes CHRIST AS WE IN OUR FORM
It has many pastors in the one location. It has many ministers. Everyone is a minister.
It's where the New Covenant Priesthood is VISIBLE
It is said of the CHURCH....Look how they love one another.

Christ as me in my daily life (or a bunch of people believing such per se)doesn't know anything about that, and certainly not surrounded by tens, hundreds, thousands doing the same...and yet....and yet....it's still a personal experience. Jesus made personal. He doesn't have a problem relating simultaneously personally with thousands....He's errrr...clever like that!.

Norman Grubb was right and wrong about apostles.
Nearly none of the current apostles in the world ARE apostles at all, because they aren't laying a Galations 2:20 message. But you know what? Those that are laying that message, are not doing what apostles do. Which is lay CHURCHES in this spirit. This is the grace gift of an apostle.

St Paul said (about a corrective issue)...when you are gathered together "AND MY SPIRIT IS AMONG YOU"....

what did he mean by that?
He meant he had laid a Christ foundation so that when people gathered they all gathered at HUMAN GROUND ZERO.....their gathering was UNTO CHRIST
CHRIST PLUS NOTHING.

NOT EVEN CHRIST PLUS NORMAN. Norman would be horrified by some of what you crowd are up to.
Pretty soon if not already, you'll be the Norman denomination like Zerubbabel. The Norman Conquest.

Norman only gets you as far as Romans 6 to 8. He doesn't know what happens when local churches live out from there. His books can't tell you. His books can't tell you what it's like when churches start overthrowing the New World Order ...or setting Creation free....He died too soon. It's not his baby. It's not his pigeon. That's our generation and the generation behind us. But your generation is blocking the doorway. You are insisting on doing things the way you have always done them. You ignore God totally when He says

BEHOLD I DO A NEW THING. WILL YOU NOW PERCEIVE IT?

Amen. Glory to God.

Chris Welch
26th November 2013
Hayling Island
UK


Sunday, 24 November 2013

TEF7 - A Christ Identity by Daniel Yordy



© Daniel Yordy 2013 The Original plus additional audio and PDF download is here

Be transformed by the renewing of your mind… Romans 12:2

God created angels strong. Angels can do what they are created to do.

God created man weak, yet with the capacity to contain and release God Himself. Man is designed to be filled with another Person. Thus all the hard-wiring of the human form, all the programming of the human psyche was designed by God to enable a continual inter-relationship of Person inside of person.

God does not create simplistic things. When you read Dr. Paul Brand’s explanations of how the parts of the human body, things such as hearing and seeing, actually work, you say with David, “I am fearfully and wonderfully made.” The human body is extraordinarily complicated, the human spirit more-so. The human psyche, created at the juncture of the human body and the human spirit is equally complicated.

Thus we can conclude that God, in His make-up, is rather complex.

We are designed perfectly, in all the fantastic complications of our beings, to fit in every way this complicated Being who “fills us with all of His fullness.” And we are designed perfectly, in all the complexity of spirit, soul, and body, to release this Great and Mighty Being into His creation as rivers. We fit God in every possible way, in both earth and heaven.
The human body is extraordinarily complicated, the human spirit more-so. 
Then God, in His deliberate intention, having created Adam so like Himself, that He could fill and move through Adam in every possible way an infinite God is, did not “finish” Adam’s construction, but left the final part in Adam’s hand.

Adam was filled with peace, yes, but he was not finished. He was constructed to contain all of God in Person and in fullness; he was designed to release God out into all creation. But God Himself had not formerly moved into this man who would contain Him. God cannot do such a thing; He will not violate anyone’s heart or person. He will never intrude. God is love.

To possess God, we ourselves must eat of Him.

Thus, God placed two forms of Himself before Adam.

In the first form of God Adam could choose, knowledge about God would come into Adam’s mind and heart, leaving him responsible to fit that knowledge where it should go into all the wiring and programming of which he was made.

The second form of God Adam could choose, however, was God Himself in Person, coming in as Adam’s very and only life.

Willingness of heart was God’s requirement before He would fill Adam with Himself, thus the tree of life was a thorn tree and it’s life could be won only through pain. This willingness to endure pain for life is also part of this God who would fill us full and part of our design for Him. Love suffers long.

Consider Adam’s state, then. Let’s say that he has in him, spirit, soul, and body, ten million receptors, each one designed to connect with a specific aspect of God’s Being. Every single one of these receptors is hanging there in Adam, unconnected. But Adam now has his own knowledge about God; he has the law. Thus Adam himself can take each outward definition of God that he possesses and attempt to fit that piece of knowledge with the correct receptor inside his person, his identity.

Except he didn’t much try. Now he had a better idea – fig leaves and tree trunks, and especially blaming his wife, much better things to attach to his ten million unfinished parts than religious knowledge about God!

What I am driving at is this truth. Angels are not concerned about identity; animals are not concerned about identity. They all are what they are and that’s it.

Then God ...did not “finish” Adam’s construction, but left the final part in Adam’s hand.

Man is utterly unique. If God Himself in Person is not attached in every perfect way to every single one of our ten million receptors, and if God Himself in Person is not flowing out of all the channels by which we were made to release God, than we are a mess.

Human identity, then, is the human effort to plant meaning onto all the receptors disconnected from God. Man, alone in creation, must have an identity formed from outside of his own person. Man, complete, is God’s Person in fullness filling man’s person in perfection. Man is a vessel created to contain Another Person.

Our entire identity, then, comes out of our lifetime of trying to fit some sort of meaning onto every one of ten million seemingly meaningless receptors inside our person. It is, to put it bluntly, absurd. But we draw meaning from everywhere; we especially draw meaning from our association and attachments to other people, especially to large groupings of people. That’s why symbols such as flags or logos are so very important to us. They remind us of what is “supposed to be attached” to our receptors when we are feeling empty and disconnected.

Then we have Christians; Lord Jesus save us.

Christian identity is such an incredible mess. Being a “Christian” is to make an intense effort, much more than most humans, to cram four unrelated realms of identity onto their ten million receptors in an unending variation of confusion. Now, one of those identities is Christ Jesus living in our hearts, yes. And for some, He grows in meaning and attraction. But most are also very, very busy hooking up three other complex things onto those same receptors. One is the law, the tree of knowledge about right and wrong writ large. Another is the world, which in the west has been “Christianized” and therefore sure “looks like Christ” (a lamb with horns of power; a superhero “Christ”). And the fourth source of identity is all the imagination about God convoluted up by the Christian mind, but that God Himself never says.

He will not violate
 anyone’s heart or person.
 He will never intrude. 
God is love.
To possess God, 
we ourselves must eat of Him.


Jesus in our hearts brings wonderful peace, yes. But all the other forms of identity that we attempt to cram in alongside of Him provide for most Christians agonizing and unending psychosis. That’s why Jesus said in Revelation 3 that it would be better to be a happy pagan (cold to God) than to live in Christian psychosis (lukewarm, that is, some of Christ mixed with a whole lot of other stuff).

All the years I lived in deeper truth, mightily anointed of God, Christian community, I was truly psychotic, along with everyone else. And much of what they spoke into me served only to increase my own confusion. Look at the word at the beginning of this letter. “Be transformed by the renewing of your mind.” That was just one more thing I “had to do.” And I surely did not know how, and any idea I may have had, I was certainly a failure at implementing. I believed with all my heart that I must renew my mind. I did not know how, but in desperation, knowing that I must obtain life or die, I surely tried. I surely tried, and I more surely failed.

God wins our hearts first, before He begins to change our minds.

I think it could be easier to lead a happy pagan ignorant of God – straight into Christ, than it is to lead a “Christian” into Christ. Christians lead the unsaved to Christ, yes, but then fill their minds and hearts with an anti-Christ identity of confusion. (Jesus said something along these lines, didn’t He?)

All the years I lived in deeper truth, mightily anointed of God, Christian community, I was truly psychotic, along with everyone else. 

I have painted this picture as clearly as I can to show us the great task in our hand, that is, altering, in the joy of Christ, our identity from confusion to Christ.

We know our true identity by the three verses that are far larger than and that swallow up entirely all the rest of the Bible. In fact these are not even three verses, but three phrases. They are the sum total of who and what we are.

— You are filled with All the Fullness of God —

— Abide in Me and I in you —

— Rivers of Living Water flow out of your belly. —

All three of these statements are talking about our human makeup. Let me give a rough definition of our true human identity. (I use percentages for no other reason than to give us some form of picture, the concept of percentage does not otherwise fit.)

Eighty percent of the human is God the Father in Person filling us full with all of Himself in all of His divinity. Ten percent of the human is Christ Jesus living as us in weakness. And ten percent of the human is God by His Spirit flowing out from us, bringing life and joy to all.

Just like Jesus, we are the form and shape of God in creation.

Here is a diagram of our true identity, a diagram I have used before.



Our true identity is to have every single one of our ten million receptors, spirit, soul, and body, connected perfectly with that particular place in God’s complex Being and Person to which they were designed to connect and God Himself, then, flowing through those connections all through us in joy and power, and flowing on out through our many channels into His creation as rivers of Spirit.

This is the normal Christian life; it is the normal human life. It is the image and likeness of God. Perfecting our true identity and “the renewing of our minds” are the same thing.

Our task is to escape “Christian” identity by taking on Christ identity, that is, as Paul said, to be clothed with the Lord Jesus Christ. Being clothed with the Lord Jesus Christ causes us to put off the false identities of Christian thinking. You see, a receptor cannot be attached to it’s rightful place in God without also throwing off the false thing we placed on it to somehow give ourselves meaning (God’s definition of false “flesh”). But Christ always comes first by faith.

God wins our hearts first; then He changes our mind. As we win all true meaning, the false meaning is cast aside. That willingness is the win of our hearts; it is being rooted and grounded in love.

Adam’s heart would have been fully God’s before he had ever climbed high enough in the tree to pluck the fruit of life and eat it. Thus Jesus said, “To those who overcome, I give to eat the fruit of the tree of life.” “Overcoming” and “God winning our heart utterly for Himself” are the same thing. To overcome means to come over.

The only thing that can change our minds is to eat of the fruit of life, as Jesus said, “Except you eat My flesh and drink My blood.” Only hearts won fully by God are willing to – desirous of – eating that fruit.

“If any man thirst. . .”

Never in all the history of the world have the requirements of the law ever won any one’s heart for Christ. In complete contrast, righteousness acquired by self becomes the greatest barrier against Christ.

What was the moment when God won my heart, fully and without holding back? It was the moment when, in the sweet Spirit of Christ, I saw that Jesus had become me, that I was swallowed up utterly into Him, that He carries all that I am, and that He lives, now, as every part and particle of the human me.

To know that He carries all that I am at all times and in every way is the sweetest reality in the universe. A God who would take me into Himself as the Lord Jesus Christ, stumbling, bloody and bruised, carrying me through death into life, along a way I could never traverse by myself, this is a God who forever holds my heart as His own.

Never in all the history of the world have the requirements of the law ever won any one’s heart for Christ. In complete contrast, righteousness acquired by self becomes the greatest barrier against Christ.

Then He asks me to allow Himself in Person to be all that I am, to have no other identity than Father God filling me full, than Christ Jesus, my most Precious Friend, living as me in weakness, and the Holy Ghost just always billowing out of me as rivers, to be nothing else, to know nothing else. This I would do, with all my heart.

In Christendom there is a definition of the propitiation of Jesus that is abhorrent to us. That is the idea that God punished Jesus with our punishment, that redemption was an act of injustice committed by God against His Son. This idea says, “We humans deserved to be thrown into hell, but God took the punishment meant for us and punished Jesus instead. Thus we get to go to heaven; that’s what being a ‘Christian’ is all about.”

We see a completely different picture.



The BLOOD – The CROSS – The 

RESURRECTION of the Lord Jesus Christ.

First and foremost, the path of Jesus through the Atonement is God Himself showing all creation who and what He is for the first time. And seeing God as He really is, we discover ourselves caught up into Him, that He takes us into Himself and carries us through a path we could never find ourselves, all the way up the tree of life. And there God Himself gives us to eat of that fruit, fruit we could never have come near by ourselves.

However, inside that most real reality, there is also a picture to us that is central to our transformation, to our change of identity. You see, we are very psychological beings. The picture of ten million receptors, of which nine million, nine hundred thousand are attached to all the wrong things, with only one hundred thousand being attached to Christ living in our hearts, this picture shows us how screwed up our psyche really has been.

Thus Jesus said knowing our true psyche causes us to lose this psyche of Adam’s confusion, that is, having every last one of those ten million receptors attached fully into their rightful places in the God who fills us full.

These three MIGHTY things, three powerful images, rooted in absolute reality, having come out from God and shown themselves as utterly profound and absolute inside the physicality of this planet and inside of time, are given to us FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of severing us forever from the imagination of the tree of knowledge, from all the foolish and false things we have attached from birth to our ten million receptors, to give our empty lives some sort of meaning.

The BLOOD – The CROSS – The RESURRECTION of the Lord Jesus Christ.

These three things ARE total and absolute.

He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 1 John 2:2

The Blood erases all sin; God simply cannot remember any of it.

For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died. 2 Corinthians 5:14

The Cross eliminates the sinner; he no longer exists, end of story.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:22

The Resurrection is who we are; each in his time.

If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. Now all things are of God… 2 Corinthians 5:17-18

God made these three pictures total and absolute for us so that we could utterly let go of any need for any other meaning in our lives. Our human psyche needs such a picture.

There is no sin; there is no sinner. The purpose of the sacrifice of Jesus is so we can turn our backs on any and every concern over “me,” and what “I do,” and busy ourselves with the one thing, the only thing that is important, knowing this God who fills us full.

Here is the most important negative verse in the Bible.

For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Romans 10:3-4

You see, every voice in Christendom, it seems, argues that we need to find meaning, to attach our receptors into every possible form of our own righteousness, our own doing, our own “obedience.” Yet every receptor that holds onto that which has no meaning is a receptor not enjoying its place in God.

God gave us the bold and absolute picture of the Blood, He gave us the bold and absolute picture of the Cross, and He gave us the bold and absolute picture of the RESURRECTION so that we could leap utterly into the tree of life and never worry about any aspect of the tree of knowledge ever again. So that we simply never again concern ourselves with ourselves. We are a done deal. Now, all we need to do is plug every part of our minds into God in Person filling us full without ever once worrying about any limitation or inability on our part.

To know God and to know Jesus-Sent — Christ is perfected in our weakness.

Just like Adam, we are part of our own creation. God will never form Christ in us without our active and continual involvement. He simply never pushes anyone around, but He does all things in joy and delight together with us, including transforming us into the image of Christ, the express image of the Father.

God has given us a very specific mechanism, a precise exercise by which we take on our Christ identity, losing in the process even the memory of all non-meaning we have ever known.

Then here is what we discover. This is a big deal. We are not engaged in the task of changing our identity to all that is Christ – only. No! Much more than that, we discover that by winning our true Christ identity, we are altering the identity of the entire universe, both heaven and earth. The universe has never known it’s true identity; all it has ever known was the false duality painted by Adam.

This is a big deal. We are setting creation free.

The book of Revelation is all about identity.

…For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10

And I will give to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. Revelation 11:3

To witness, to prophecy, is to speak.

God creates all things by speaking. God opens His mouth to speak, and the Lord Jesus is always flowing out of the Father as the light and life that creates and sustains all things.

Then God SAID, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God SAW the light, that it was good.

Here is the foundational principal by which God brings forth everything.

…God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did. Romans 4:17

First God says, then God sees. If this is God’s reality, how can anything else be ours?

We speak, then we see what we speak.

Let’s continue on in Romans 4. (Abraham) contrary to hope, in hope believed… according to what was spoken… And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead… He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 18-21

So, you see, the line “And God SAW the light, that it was good,” that seeing of God was the seeing of faith. God spoke light, therefore light became. God saw goodness, therefore all things were good.

Speaking comes first, seeing comes second. Both are by faith; both enter into the darkness, into “nothingness” before they ever bring forth their reality.

Our reality in God cannot be any different than God’s reality in Himself.

We transform ourselves and the entire universe by the words that we speak.

…For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Creating and sustaining, forming and fashioning all things by speaking, and then by seeing what is spoken by faith, that it is truly good, is the nature and Being of this God who fills us with His Person.

When we speak what God speaks concerning Christ our only life, then God speaks through us. If God speaks through us (prophecy), then what’s the problem? There is none. Hold in faith and see God alone.

But it is absolutely true that, if we have not let go of all the meaning we find for ourselves in all “Christian” identity, double-hearted and double-minded, if God has not yet won our hearts, we will not speak Christ alone. Rather, we will speak an unending mixture of confusion. Our lives will always follow our speaking. And speaking Christ always begins in the darkness, that is, by faith.

Those who speak separation from Christ must live separated from Christ, trying as best they can, “with God’s help” of course, though God never seems to “help,” to do what they “know” God wants them to do. And to live in the inescapable knowledge that they are always falling short. This is the nightmare in which so many of our brethren live.

For their sakes, we speak Christ. Their dilemma is the first reconciliation we carry in our hearts.

But just as the world fights the Lamb tooth and nail in order to hold tightly to its meaningless identity, so also do our brethren. Thus we walk the path of Christ for their sakes, laying down our lives for them.

And so I want to include the ten most important verses in the Bible as statements of faith, in short form, as the speaking of Christ.

Speak these things; prophecy Christ.

As you speak Christ, God through you is transforming not only your entire identity, but the identity of the entire creation as well.


Here are the ten most important verses of the Bible, written as personal confessions of faith. Speak them out loud; shout them, over and over, until you see as God sees, until you see through eyes of fire.

1. From the very beginning, God determined to make me just like Jesus.

2. I am filled with all the fullness of God.

3. God flows out from me as rivers of living water bringing life and joy to all.

4. I cast down every voice that speaks against the Word God speaks, against Christ my only life.

5. Christ is my life; I have no other life.

6. I boldly enter the Holiest, the throne of God – with my heart sprinkled always with Blood, and with my body, flesh of His flesh, washed pure and clean.

7. I exult boastfully in all the victory of Christ revealed in me. I speak Christ; I keep the joy of my confidence high.

8. I love you; I lay down my life for you.

9. I set creation free.

10. Just as Jesus is IN the Father, so I am in Him and He is in me, every part of me in Him and Him in every part of me. I abide in Christ; He abides in me.

And thus we know God and we know Jesus-Sent.

I will continue weaving together these three strands in further letters. First, our speaking the prophetic word of Christ into all reality, second, the transformation of our identity and the identity of the universe as we do so, and third the reaction of the things in the darkness as the light turns on. All three of these things are woven all through the vision John saw on Patmos. They are indeed the revelation of Jesus Christ, the unveiling.

They are, in fact, the only things I have written about in seven years of writing. And so I will continue to speak and to write until all creation is gloriously free.







Saturday, 23 November 2013

Giving to the New Faceless


Galations 6 :10 Young's Literal Translation
therefore, then, as we have opportunity, may we work the good to all, and especially unto those of the household of the faith.

There's a new breed of Faceless one.

We can be aware of poverty if we look  both here and abroad. But I am not talking about the subject of "giving to the poor"here.

I am not  talking about ministries in denominations or existing new independent churches, both of which preach tithing in with their Christianity as if it was still in the New Covenant.

I am not speaking about the Indian tradition of gurus going around the countryside preaching, teaching, or working alongside others while they share. It is an understood thing in Indian faiths  just as it is in the Christian faith that you are to offer hospitality. The Christian faith IS OFCOURSE a middle Eastern Abrahamic faith not a western secular one.

I am not talking about registered charities with support for their workers.

In the main I am not talking about registered situations at all.

In the last decades the new churches have generally gone along with the line that we are "not  to support lone flash Harrys" setting up in any old ministry, which could mean largely loafing around.
The problem we had then was that yes, many would set things up in the name of such and such an apostolic network and plenty of such ministries and charity operations exist all across the world now...

BUT IN SUBMITTING TO LARGELY HUMAN SYSTEMS hardly anybody has grown to what the Bible in 1 John 2 describes as the third level.
These "ministries and charities" don't bring revival, because there is little actual anointing left. It's all been shortcircuited out by trusting in the steeds of Egypt rather than in God alone.

NOPE, I AM TALKING ABOUT A NEW BREED THAT YOU CAN'T READILY SEE AND SHOULD LOOK OUT FOR.BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE NOW.......
They are called by God direct. They are called to rely on Him alone for all their needs in the same way that George Mueller pioneered when he believed in the modern equivalent of billions of pounds by faith to support thousands of children in orphanages.
George Mueller quotes.
mp3s of Mueller's testimonies

The HOLY SPIRIT will not always allow these folk to ASK FOR MONEY, HINT AT IT, RAISE MONEY FOR PROJECTS....because these are God projects that He is not allowing them to talk about.

Others are allowed to talk, but all you will hear is one lone voice because He has expressly disallowed the setting up of a system or organisation so that they trust HIM ALONE.

Will we believe in this HOUSE NOT MADE WITH HANDS or not?

Will we be content to run "as priests in the Order of Melchizedek" or won't we?

Will we be content to BUILD by speaking the Word and only the Word...or do we have to see outer buildings or physical legacies?  The LEGACY of the gospel is  SELF REPRODUCING SEED. Christ reproducing Christ.

WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU GIVE?
Worship is giving.
Worship is allowing Jesus Christ to live our life as us.
He is a self-giving life.
As soon as He is living His life through you in some shape of form He is GIVING.

Christ supports His own building...which is Him in others.
Someone once said there is money in the ANOINTING.

In other words, where the true anointing and revival is, like Psalm 110 , like Mary Magdalen, people GIVE almost embarrassingly. It shames you. But ofcourse you are only looking through THE EXTERNAL WINDOW of a WHOLE PROCESS OF FLOW. You cannot OUTGIVE GOD. In some shape or form what you give shall be shovelled back to you squeezed down squashed in running over.

Anybody ever think that Jesus went through the same thing? He gave His earthly physical Body to the father as an intercessory sacrifice, as the Lamb....but three days later He wasn't raised up with the same body...He had a new Body which had so much spiritual substance crammed into it , when He walked into a wall in our current physical creation constructed mostly of holes and space between atoms...they buckled around Him and He just simply walked through. So yes His own Body was received back stuffed down , squashed together in density, and running over!!!


Here are some of the new Breed :

Rich Novek,USA, currently giving away his books Rich in Christ.






Elaine Waterfield known locally as Nya Suna
Kenya
the Lord visited my house tonight as we had prayer and praise amen and a drunkard and witch doctor came in and we led them to the Lord amen wow it was awesome and the KING of KINGS came to visit I love you Lord and I lift my voice to worship you oh my soul rejoice (testimony this week)

Stuart Whitby evangelist UK  after working with his hands for many years, feeling that the Holy Spirit has called time on work for money, and as an evangelist is pioneering  new coffee house churches in the cities of England.
He is going through the awful thing the disciples experienced, where the Holy Spirit would not allow them to take anything on their first ministry trip....but people then accuse you falsely of not taking work when it is offered, or of being inadequately covered financially.  How are we going to learn supply if we don't allow people the freedom to
experience supernatural supply.
Here is Stuart's poem about it, he writes:

i wrote this poem when feeling down a while ago  but like many of davids psalms he starts of with his complaint, needs or failings but by the end of the psalm he has seen the majesty and sovereignty of God.........amen
Apart from him!!!
Ive given flowers which became thorns,
all i've try to fix is once again torn,
for my joy has only made others mourn.
what i hold softly soon becomes broke,
my gentle squeeze a deadly choke,
my warm fire causing nothing but smoke.
failing to catch, far down it fell
i spoke a whisper they heard a yell
apart from Christ i can do nothing well
                                                                                                                                                      
but when the spirits wind prevails
it opens wide and blows my sails
for what the spirit unctions never fails
then my words to others become life
within my mind there is no strife
im sailing in the peace of christ
                                                                                                                                                        
once again reminded its all his way
im content to be his jar of clay
whom performs his purpose in me each day


Pete Cabrera





Christian Supplies Trust

registered UK charity:1028509

If people want to send money to the people direct please contact them through Facebook or if they are not on Facebook , like Stuart Whitby, please ask me for his email. If you are having trouble sending money you can use Paypal via Christian Supplies using 07000intune@googlemail.com. We have recently lifted the restrictions that Paypal place on  charity accounts that are new to Paypal.  The Trust itself has served many pioneering Christian and fledgling charities all over the world since 1993.

Finally a reminder of what these Faceless are in it for, although the video is of Reading Pennsylvania.

Thursday, 21 November 2013

Duct Tape Syndrome


Duct Tape syndrome is probably another name for ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, but what I want to highlight is particularly SPIRITUAL ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.


I believe any ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM is ultimately spiritual, since all fear has a spiritual root. But there clearly is a difference between greeting a person who you regard as being involved in something you just don't like to be a part of.....cocaine taking....or just plain old smoking as it used to be....or perhaps they are Republican/Democrat,Tory or Labour....or perhaps you know and they know you know that you should really have got the managerial post and not them.... something awkward, that you can never mention .

More openly spiritual elephants in the room are stranger still, so let's call this "duct tape " syndrome.
They are stranger still because from a secular point of view they don't really exist so why would anyone have a problem mentioning them....if they don't exist, it's all theory right?
Except beneath the conscious level of conversation you just both know on your insides that you can't go there.

....Like after I was baptised in the Spirit and I used to go into my Gran's rooms which adjoined ours....I just knew that talking about Jesus coming to save us was not going to work...even though I knew it worked.
.....Like talking to my Dad in the early 70s about the fact that Ted Heath was openly lying when he stated we'll just join this Common Market thingy but it absolutely won't involve anything other than some loose trade affiliation.

But these sort of areas are exactly what prophetic people DO talk about. And perhaps that is the real reason why they are deemed prophetic.Perhaps everyone else senses these things but has the good sense to be fearful and a scaredy cat and tow the line.


Again and again as bloggers research details around the true nature of history and we pull the threads together using Google, it becomes increasingly obvious, not less obvious that the same groups of shadowy
figures emerge behind most things. Yesterday, as you might have read, it surrounded the "good old" Scofield Bible that appears on most Christians shelves.

Yet even thinking about it all in the cold light of day, nothing makes sense.
It's published by and profits have always gone to Oxford University Press. Well, if any of you know the spiritual climate of Christianity in the UK, this makes as much sense as Arthur Blessitt being received by the Queen with his cross, or  my school saying "Chris, as one of the pioneers of the Christian revival in 1972 in the school, please would you consider being Head Boy." It's not going to happen. Actually God still did it...he took an atheist head boy called David Foster and made him born again.....so man's best laid plans etc!!!!

If you meditate on just one thing...just this
Scofield's Bible which is all about the "American rapture theory" is published in England FROM THE OUTSET in 1917 or so by Oxford Press. Long before any Jesus Revolution. Long before Smith Wigglesworth really got going in the UK. It's not going to happen is it????

UNLESS  you allow for DUCT TAPE

The second area I felt to highlight was the use of the word "CORPORATIONS"
Everyone talks about "It's the Corporations"
It's the Fat Cats

OK so where do the corporations come from? As soon as corporations of normal individuals form as a legal entity, at what point do they all stand in a line and say
" Yes we solemnly decide that we will become bastards of the first order. And we promise faithfully to elect fat cats?"

So how does it all happen? Why is much of the behaviour of corporations either by stealth incrementally or quite openly as far as present law will allow...simply gross evil?

Well the reason is DUCT TAPE

Duct tape means the 13 dynasties that no one will talk about even if they know of them. These bloodline families who date themselves back to the very fall of Babel, and have this urge by dedicated selective marriage between the lines to accomplish that which they believe "ADONAY" their idea of a lesser god...and our idea of a GREAT GOD, THE ONLY GOD...messed up in Genesis.

At the surface of secularism it would seem incredible that any such people existed today, who believed at all in the first pages of the Bible....other than fundamentalists who they discount utterly. That these believing dynasties should be running everything just further fuels the laughter to the phrase CONSPIRACY THEORY.

As soon as corporations of normal individuals form as a legal entity, at what point do they all stand in a line and say
" Yes we solemnly decide that we will become bastards of the first order. And we promise faithfully to elect fat cats?"


But if all powers that be (practically) are related to these lines. If these lines purely raise children to be obedient to these lines. If children MUST REMARRY within these lines. If these lines must be blurred and kept secret from outsiders. If Royalty is all related to these lines. If all American Presidents are related to these lines. If you have no moral fixed boundaries concerning reproduction and children are regularly spawned at solstices to form "doubles" to achieve certain ends  and die in the place of the figures you thought were dying in front of you....you start to see how this is relatively easy to pull off. But for conscience. Or humanity. BUT SUPPOSING over thousands of years you had mastered three things.1. The stamping out of conscience 2. The transfer of spiritual (demonic) power between generations 3. And particularly recently, through mind programming, how to create genial looking front "alters", (psychological word for different sub personalities)?

So to avoid the DUCT TAPE Words and phrases people use CORPORATIONS instead, as if corporations have a magical power all on their own.

As  Biblical David rounded the hill stacked out with cheeses and different loaves of bread he met up with his brothers, who then started accusing him of slacking from his duties as a herdsman. But he was puzzled. Why were the whole Israelite army going through the motions every morning and standing in front of one particularly defiant giant....and nobody was doing a thing?  This is exactly how many of us feel about the ridiculous national and independent church groups facing but ignoring the very ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.... and agreeing to DUCT TAPE.



Wednesday, 20 November 2013

TEF6. Life from John's Vision by Daniel Yordy




 © Daniel Yordy 2013





Many are very intrigued by the interpretation of the spiritual symbols of the prophetic and how those things apply to us in our day. I share that interest.

A reader was conversing with me concerning some of the things I shared in the last letter. Here is part of my reply. “I don’t want to turn my letter into an analysis of current events; rather, I use current events to underline the truth of Christ we need to know. So I limit what I share and make it serve the revelation of Christ – or, in this case, an understanding of the beast whom we defeat by our faith.”

Then she made this comment: “I have always thought the beast was the carnal mind and all the fruit of it is the little beasts of ‘government,’ science falsely so called, technology, church buildings even... all by-products of man’s mind.”

Yes, everything false in this world is simply the product of the human mind, human imagination separated from Christ. But I want to give, in this letter, a careful account of how I read and apply the book of Revelation.

The function and role of the Old Testament prophet ceased with Christ. The writer of Hebrews makes it clear that today God speaks through Christ; Paul says that Christ lives in our hearts and that He lives there by faith.

The function and role of the New Testament “prophet” is an in-part ministry to an in-part church. Yet it certainly has a good and vital place in the formation of Christ inside His body.

The significant difference between the Old and the New is that now all ministry is Christ living as one member of His body blessing Christ living as another member of His body. Christ ministering to Christ. There is not an ounce of “power over” in any New Testament ministry. All of it is the normal giving and receiving of life.

I am interested only in the revelation of Jesus Christ, His apocalypse in fulness in His body, as He appears in us to prove all the will of God in this earth and to set creation free. Christ in me is the only hope of glory I have; Christ my life is my only salvation.

Through all the years, I have studied the book of Revelation way beyond any other book of the Bible. Yet now I include it only as a small part of the whole, weaving it, in fitting ways, into the larger word of Christ of which it is a part

.The significant difference between the Old and the New is that now all ministry is Christ living as one member of His body blessing Christ living as another member of His body.

The largest study I did of Revelation was to take every significant word or name of something in the book through the entire rest of the Bible, writing out every verse in the Bible in which that word appears. I spent many happy months on this exercise, leaving behind me a continual trail of verse-filled notebooks.

The most significant thing I learned from that exercise is the most significant thing we must know about the vision Jesus gave to John concerning things that were “yet to come” in the experience of the church.

If you were to do a similar study, what two books of the Bible do you think you would be writing out over and over again? Very simply, the gospel and first epistle of John. That fact alone proves linguistically that the three books were written by the same writer. As an aside, the most frequent Old Testament book was Genesis, followed by Daniel, of course, and Isaiah.

What, then, is the most important thing we must know about Revelation in order to move with God in full understanding as He proves Himself through us in the overturning of the ages?

Revelation is nothing other than another form or expression of the GOSPEL of Jesus Christ. There is no divorce between anything in Revelation and the salvation of Jesus in our lives. Revelation is simply another way to describe the normal Christian life.

In the early 1900’s, Cyrus Scofield, a long-time hustler, was hired by Rothschild interests in New York City to create a study of the Bible that would alter the thinking of Christians in preparation for the re-establishment of the nation of Israel. (Before then, the concept of “6 million Jews” being sacrificed for the birthing of Israel was already being widely circulated.) Scofield’s “Bible” was wildly successful, serving to create the present Christian mind that divorces the Jews and Israel from the gospel and salvation of Christ. That divorce included driving a full wedge between most of the book of Revelation and the gospel that came through Paul.
Some backgroundTo reading extra to Daniel's post; there is far more than these excerpts on the linked  webpages below. Why is this important? Because Daniel has understated if anything the importance of the Scofield Bible in the Rothschild/Rockefeller scheme to Zionise the West and produce a smokescreen behind which to welcome in a Luciferian reign.
 1.Wikipedia......................
The Scofield Reference Bible is a widely circulated study Bible edited and annotated by the American Bible student Cyrus I. Scofield, that popularized dispensationalism at the beginning of the 20th century. Published by Oxford University Press and containing the traditional, Protestant King James Version, it first appeared in 1909 and was revised by the author in 1917.[1]
The Scofield Bible had several innovative features. Most important, it printed what amounted to a commentary on the biblical text alongside the Bible instead of in a separate volume.[2] It also contained a cross-referencing system that tied together related verses of Scripture and allowed a reader to follow biblical themes from one chapter and book to another. Finally, the 1917 edition also attempted to date events of the Bible. It was in the pages of the Scofield Reference Bible that many Christians first encountered ArchbishopJames Ussher's calculation of the date of Creation as 4004 BC; and through discussion of Scofield's notes, which advocated the "gap theory," fundamentalists began a serious internal debate about the nature and chronology of creation.[3]
The Scofield Bible was published only a few years before World War I destroyed the cultural optimism that had viewed the world as entering a new era of peace and prosperity; and the post-World War II era saw the creation in Israel of a homeland for the Jews. Thus, Scofield's premilliennialism seemed almost prophetic. "At the popular level, especially, many people came to regard the dispensationalist scheme as completely vindicated."[4] Sales of the Reference Bible exceeded two million copies by the end of World War II.[5]
The Scofield Reference Bible promoted dispensationalism, the belief that between creation and the final judgment there were seven distinct eras of God's dealing with man and that these eras were a framework for synthesizing the message of the Bible.[6] It was largely through the influence of Scofield's notes that dispensationalism grew in influence among fundamentalist Christians in the United States. Scofield's notes on the Book of Revelation are a major source for the various timetables, judgments, and plagues elaborated by popular religious writers such as Hal LindseyEdgar C. Whisenant, and Tim LaHaye;[7] and in part because of the success of the Scofield Reference Bible, twentieth-century American fundamentalists placed greater stress on eschatological speculation. Opponents of biblical fundamentalism have criticized the Scofield Bible for its air of total authority in biblical interpretation, for what they consider its glossing over of biblical contradictions, and for its focus on eschatology.[8]
The 1917 Scofield Reference Bible notes are now in the public domain, and the Bible is "consistently the best selling edition" in the United Kingdom and Ireland.[9] In 1967, Oxford University Press published a revision of the Scofield Bible with a slightly modernized KJV text and a muting of some of the tenets of Scofield's theology.[10] The Press continues to issue editions under the title Oxford Scofield Study Bible, and there are translations into French, German, Spanish, and Portuguese. For instance, the French edition published by the Geneva Bible Society is printed with a revised version of the Louis Segond translation that includes additional notes by a Francophone committee.[11]
2.Notes from the Zionist -Created Bible
Thanks to the work of a few dedicated researchers, much of the questionable personal history of Cyrus I. Scofield is available. It reveals he was not a Bible scholar as one might expect, but a political animal with the charm and talent for self-promotion of a Bill Clinton. Scofield's background reveals a criminal history, a deserted wife, a wrecked family, and a penchant for self-serving lies. He was exactly the sort of man the World Zionists might hire to bend Christian thought--a controllable man and one capable of carrying the secret to his grave. (See The Incredible Scofield and His Book by Joseph M. Canfield).


3.Notes from A Little History: Cyrus I Scofield and the Tribulation
Who first taught pretribulation rapture?
Dave MacPherson, author of the book The Rapture Plot (2005) and Ed Tarkowski, a Christian essayist, trace the origin of pretribulation rapture. From the early Church fathers until the Reformation, the generally accepted view of Bible prophecy was "linear historic," that Revelation was in the process of being fulfilled throughout the Christian era. But in the 16th century, a new view of Bible prophecy was devised by a Jesuit priest to stop the Reformers from teaching that the Catholic Church was probably the "whore of Babylon" of Revelation 17:3-6.
In 1591 AD, the Jesuit Ribera invented a "futurist" view. He claimed that Revelation would not be fulfilled until the end of the Christian Era. Ribera taught of a rebuilt Babylon, a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and an end-time Antichrist, near the end of the age of the "three and a half years" when the books of Daniel and Revelation would be fulfilled. The Antichrist would be a person to rise in the future. He also brought forth the idea of a rapture, but not at the beginning or end of Daniel’s "70th week" (see Revelation and the Rothschild connection). He wrote that the Church would be taken to heaven 45 days before the end of the three and a half years.
In 1767, a Chilean-born Catholic Priest, Manuel de Lacunza y Diaz came to Imola, Italy, when the Jesuits were expelled from Spain because of their brutality. There he claimed to be a converted Jew named Rabbi Juan Jushafat Ben-Ezra. Under that alias, he wrote a 900 page book titled, The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty. Lacunza theorized that the Church would be taken to be with the Lord to escape the reign of Antichrist in the last 3-1/2 years of the age, some 45 days before Jesus’ final return to Earth. During that 45 days (while the Church was in heaven), God would pour out His wrath upon the wicked remaining on Earth.
Chris Welch:NB This original extract also discusses (surmises) that there is a link between Margaret Macdonald and Templar connections, and then seeks to link her vision with Darby's rapture theory. This has been covered in my blog already. Margaret's vision in my view is about God catching His people up in the Spirit into Himself, and is a far more 3rd level take, and not in any way connected with Darby's carnal understanding of the socalled rapture scriptures. Margaret may well have been saved out of a long Satanist bloodline, but this can also be God fulfilling the scripture "I will give you the treasures of Darkness"....and people who are sensitive to the realm of the spirit in Darkness, most often become powerful supernatural figures when converted to Jesus Christ.

At the outbreak of the American Civil War, Cyrus I. Scofield (1843-1921), a Michigan native, lied about his age in order to enlist in the Confederate Army in 1861, where he served in the 7th Tennessee infantry for a year.
In 1866 he married a Roman Catholic girl named Leontine Cerre. They had two girls, Abigail and Helene.
According to sweetliberty.org (3), as a young con-artist in Kansas after the Civil War, Scofield met up with John J. Ingalls, an aging Jewish lawyer/senator. Pulling strings both in Kansas and with his compatriots back east, Ingalls assisted Scofield in gaining admission to the Bar and procured his appointment as the federal attorney for Kansas. Scofield committed perjury when he took his oath, stating that he had never voluntarily borne arms against the United States. He was forced to resign after six months because of questionable financial transactions.
By 1877, Scofield was making a living on swindles and schemes and writing bogus checks. Ingalls and Scofield became partners in a railroad scam which led to Scofield serving time for criminal forgery.
In 1879, while he was in prison, a group of Christian women who had a jail ministry witnessed to Scofield and he made a profession of faith in Christ. He then began to study the writings of John Darby and embraced Darby’s theology about the rapture and the need for Jews to resettle the land of Israel
Upon his release from the prison, Scofield began to work in the evangelical campaign of D. L. Moody. In 1879, Scofield became acting secretary of the YMCA and was licensed to preach in 1880. (4)
Torell (3) stated he believes that Ingalls informed his Jewish peers that Scofield would be the perfect candidate to develop and penetrate fundamental Christian churches and denominations. All it would take was the right "handlers" and cash.
In 1901, Scofield was offered a membership in the Lotus Club of New York, a prestigious club in the literary circles of the United States catering to non-Christians. This was a club in which one had to be invited and have a sponsor. He settled there and listed it as his residence for the next 20 years.  It was here that he presented his ideas for a new Christian Bible concordance, and was taken under the wing of Untermeyer (1858-1941)—a criminal attorney well known for his political connections, bribery and for being a fanatical Zionist agent of the Rothschild banking cartel.
Untermeyer introduced Scofield to numerous Zionist and socialist leaders, including Samuel Gompers, Fiorello LaGuardia, Abraham Straus, Bernard Baruch and Jacob Schiff. These people financed Scofield’s research trips to Oxford and arranged for the publication and distribution of his concordance.
One of Scofield’s first moves in producing his reference Bible was to take a trip to the British Isles for research. He immediately sought out the controversial scholars Westcott and Hort in London. Hailed as Bible scholars, both men were very active in occult rituals. Westcott had formed a secret club called "Hermes," noted for aggressive homosexual activities between its members. In 1851, Hort and Westcott also started the Ghost Society, which was first billed as the study of spiritual events, but in time it became more of a séance group. Its members included Arthur Balfour who, in 1917, bequeathed Palestine to the Rothschilds as "a national home for the Jewish people."
The following passage is from page two of the Introduction to the 1945 edition of the Scofield Bible: "….The discovery of the Sinaitic MS, and the labours in the field of textual criticism of such scholars as…..Westcott and Hort, have cleared the Greek Textus Receptus of minor inaccuracies….."
The comment memorializes Scofield’s reliance on Wescott and Hort and explains Scofield’s justification for tampering with the word of God.
And the reason is…
"Why would a wealthy German Jew like Untermeyer living in America sponsor Scofield and spend money on a man who was working on a new Bible translation and preaching Jesus Christ?" Torell asked.
Jewish leaders long ago recognized the bonanza for them if they could force the teaching of an imminent rapture on Christians and move them to abandon their moral hold on society. Darby was financially supported and Scofield, Darby’s successor, could make this teaching central in all Christian churches. Removal of Christians from politics and public schools would leave the door open for Jewish writers and political leaders to move in and remove the Bible and prayer from public schools and political institutions. The ACLU is a Jewish organization, having only a few Gentiles in it for window dressing, he stated.  
In 1907, the International Zionist movement had its "payday" when, after some 120 years they were finally able to have a document produced that would forever change the theology of Christian churches around the world so that, in time, believers in Christ would be transformed into Christian Zionists. Even though they had to "pay good money" to further the cause of fundamentalism, it was worth it to them because the fundamentalists would be led like a bull with a ring in his nose in the direction the Jewish masters wanted them to go.
Forty-one years later, the political state of Israel came into existence. "Without the Scofield Bible, it never would have happened," Torell said.



Daniel's post Continues on the theme of the book of Revelation:


And thus many today read in Revelation only a description of “Jesus and the Jews,” a restoration of the Old Testament relationship between God and man, a relationship Paul calls “the ministry of death.” Most who write about Revelation today use that approach. At the same time, others, rejecting that futurist and political approach, have found nothing better to do with the book than to strike it out of the Bible by one means or another.

I was still in my twenties when I came to a full end of trying to “figure out” the prophetic word in the Bible intellectually. From that time on, all I did was take it into myself by writing verses over and over as they appeared in whatever word study I was tracking down. I took into myself the words spoken by God without trying to do anything with them except to hold them in my spirit for God to unveil Himself through them someday. They were always life to me attended often with a deep pervasive groaning of the Holy Spirit in me, but never knowledge.

Now, looking back, I can see that I was waiting for the key to turn all that word right around inside of me. That key was our full union with Christ, expressed by speaking Christ our only life.

I no longer study or read the Bible as I once did. Rather, my present “Bible study” is that same word, planted deep inside of me over many years, coming back up out of my heart and flowing onto the page as I write these letters. When it went in, it went in as pieces; as it comes out, it comes out as one organic whole, as a river.

That river is the Lord Jesus Christ, the only life we are.

I cannot express how abhorrent to me is all the intellectual, political, futuristic, pastistic (all of John’s vision was fulfilled and over with in the first century), Pharisaical, literal, spiritualized, human-brain mutilation of John’s vision that exists in Christendom.

The vision of John is a Spirit Word, that Spirit Word is the Lord Jesus Christ, who is both the always-speaking-of-God and our very and only life. The purpose of John’s vision is the impartation of life, not the acquisition of knowledge.

Let me define a Spirit Word. The Word is Jesus always being spoken by the Father. That Word comes into human flesh, created of the dirt of this earth, not just as Jesus, but also as every prophet of the Old Testament and every apostle of the New as they wrote that very Word, Christ filling their hearts full, down onto paper.

The majority of people, however, read those words as the acquisition of “knowledge about.” Thus the words produce only death. But there are those who read those words in the presence of the Holy Spirit. As those words pass into us through the Holy Spirit, He transforms them into Christ in our hearts. By that same Spirit-power, those words birth and bring forth in us the very life of Christ that they are.

Here are two individuals sitting side by side reading the same line in John’s vision. To one that line is death unto death, and to the other it is life unto life. The difference is found entirely in the presence or absence of the Holy Spirit/faith union in the heart of the reader. The first relegates that word to something far away; the second makes that word to be Christ personal in them.

It’s a funny thing, but the one verse in Revelation 12 that I call the fourth most important verse in the Bible (and they overcame him) is the only verse in that chapter acceptable in modern thinking as Christian doctrine, something that we are free to make personal in our lives. All other verses in that chapter, however, are cut-off far away from us by knowledge, according to most “Christian” thought.

The text for a Spirit Word is in John 6 where Jesus said, “The flesh profits nothing, the words that I speak to you are Spirit and they are life.” By “the flesh profits nothing,” Jesus is not referring to the human body which is the temple of the Living God, holy and precious to Him, but rather the acquisition of mental knowledge.

Romans 8 must be understood alongside Revelation 12, and Revelation 12 must be understood alongside Romans 8. Neither is complete without the other.

Now, there is something in many deeper truth circles that calls itself “spirit word,” even though it is not. That is the practice of “spiritualizing” the word. “Spiritualizing” the word has become just one more intellectual approach to reading the Bible, a method of Bible interpretation. It is not life. Those who spiritualize the word see the very obvious practice of the Spirit of God to use symbols of things human or of things Old Testament to refer to realities in the heavens or in the church. All languages, all words, are symbols. For instance, think of the symbol in English – thanks – you know exactly the meaning that symbol represents. But to the French, that same meaning is symbolized by merci and to the Spanish, that same meaning is symbolized by gracia.

The Lord Jesus Christ is not an earthly “lamb.” Yet the Spirit of God uses the concept of an earthly lamb to represent, just as a word does in language, a specific meaning concerning Christ.

So, because the Holy Spirit does use things we know of in our present lives as symbols of either heavenly or Christ-in-His-church realities, the spiritualizers, then, take every word as speaking only of heavenly things. Thus, they cut Christ entirely out of any revelation in human flesh upon this earth. “Spiritualizing” the word is just one form of Gnosticism, that salvation means “go to” heaven after death. That is, everything is heaven; there is no victory of God in the earth. “Wait until you die and arise into the ‘higher life,’ that is where everything is fulfilled.”

In complete contrast, we make the word God speaks by the Holy Spirit as Christ made personal and complete in our very human weakness. God manifest in the flesh.

You see, things over there, things back then, things up there, things someday, cannot ever be life to us. The only thing that can be life is Christ, every word God speaks, made personal in us. We make Christ in all fullness the center of our hearts and lives, the center of everything. All intellectual strangling of Bible verses, whether spiritualizing or naturalizing or Judaizing or Gnosticizing, keeps the Lord Jesus conveniently separate and the reader’s intellect in charge of God.

I am not the only one who reads Revelation or has read it as a Spirit Word. When I read Madam Guyon’s study in Revelation, I am reading the same approach to the word of Christ.

There is no such thing as understanding any part of Revelation without going back and forth continually between it and 1 John. If 1 John does not inform our every knowing of Christ in the vision of Patmos, then that knowing is nothing other than death and destruction. And 1 John reaches out to include the key elements of the word of Christ in John’s gospel, which walks side by side in all ways with the gospel given to Paul.

More and more I see the word of Christ through John standing side by side with the word of Christ through Paul. I see that God intends us to understand and reveal one as it walks alongside the other. The book of Revelation is simply part of that same two witnesses of Christ.

Romans 8 must be understood alongside Revelation 12, and Revelation 12 must be understood alongside Romans 8. Neither is complete without the other.

I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears. Paul, exhorting the Ephesian elders, in Acts 20:27-31

Throughout his ministry, Paul was attacked, right from the start, by Jewish Christians who insisted on imposing the external legalism of the law of Moses upon the church of Christ. Through much of what Paul wrote, his mind and heart grappled with the false gospel of Judaism, a gospel that keeps human “knowledge about” and human “application to” as the focus of everything, a gospel that keeps everyone away from the tree of life.

That false gospel, opposed so strenuously by Paul, was the gospel of “Jesus and the Jews,” the exaltation of some natural kingdom ordered by natural man upon this earth with Jesus “at the top” in a body separate from everyone, and to which all must get in line and wait to see.

Every argument in today’s church supporting the natural nation of Israel is a repudiation of the gospel of Paul and the triumph of the Judaistic gospel Paul fought so hard to destroy.

Then, 30 years later, the church of Christ carried by John in his heart suffered under open assault by the seeming opposite of Judaism – Gnosticism. Gnosticism is not defined or understood rightly by most.

Everything John wrote, in his gospel, in his epistles and in his vision, was a waging of war against Gnosticism. Just as everything Paul wrote is in the context of separating the saints of God from the Old Testament law, the Old Testament gospel, the Old Testament kingdom, so in the same way everything John wrote is in the context of separating the saints of God from the Gnostic gospel. Gnosticism won in the church, not John.

We understand Paul’s gospel as he opposes the law; we understand John’s gospel as he opposes Gnosticism. Gnosticism and Judaism are two sides of the same thing; both have triumphed utterly over the church of Christ in our day. Today’s Christianity is Gnostic (everything is for heaven after we die), not Johannine; it is Judaic (the earth is for the Jews), not Pauline.

The hatred of the dragon, the hatred of the beast, the hatred of all mankind, the hatred of everyone is focused, pitted, driven against one thing alone.

They all hate God showing up in meekness and kindness in human flesh.

The war to separate Christ from our flesh is overwhelming. The assaults intended to keep God out of planet Earth are unending.

Judaism has triumphed by requiring that anything God does upon this earth be done through the Jews only and by Old Testament precepts. Gnosticism has won by requiring that anything God does with believers in Jesus Christ be spiritual only, that all of it happens in “heaven.”

Thus most books written about the “prophetic word of Scripture” are hostile to the revelation of Jesus Christ. By saying that, I don’t mean to imply that “I am right.” I am undoubtedly wrong about many things.

Tolle’s “new mind” is the same as the old, nothing other than one more re-arranging of Adam’s dark universe.

But I will exalt the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior and as Salvation in me and through me in all fulness right here on this earth. I have the right to do anything I want with the word God speaks; I will shout it out loud as Christ my only life, and no man can prevent me. Neither can anyone prevent God from doing what He says through me.

As I have pondered the real meaning of those things I read in Eckart Tolle, I have begun to see the heavy, heavy weights of legalism and Gnosticism as the undergirding of everything he teaches. “It’s all up to you, there is no Savior.” And – “The material earth is evil, you must escape it.”

In the end, there is little difference between Tolle’s “new age” stuff, and evangelical orthodoxy. It is one more heavy weight upon the human of requirements coming by knowledge and the elimination of Christ from human flesh. Tolle’s “new mind” is the same as the old, nothing other than one more re-arranging of Adam’s dark universe.

— Christ Jesus my only life revealed in all fullness in my material flesh right here upon this earth. —

Everyone is at war with that. Everyone is determined to prevent its birthing in our lives.

John’s entire argument can be summed up in one line. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

And it can be seen in one simple action. Jesus poured water into a basin and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel. . .

God in the flesh, Man as God revealed, on His knees before men in utter meekness of heart, performing the lowest service on earth. This is God; know Him.

Every word Paul wrote from Galatians 1:1 to Philemon 25 is to show us God revealed in human flesh. Every word John wrote from John 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 is to show us God revealed in human flesh.

And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. And the woman brought forth a male child was to rule all nations with a rod of iron, and her child was caught up to God and to His throne. Revelation 12:4-5

Yes, God uses the language of symbols in this verse, but discovering the meaning that the symbols represent does not make it a Spirit Word. It is a Spirit Word only as the Holy Spirit makes it alive as Christ Jesus personal in me, revealed in my flesh right here upon this earth, right now in this age.

The Old Testament was God’s dealings with man that preceded the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus. It was God, in a very limited way, attempting somehow to relate to mankind. But God had a very large purpose in the Old Covenant with the Jews. Mankind had chosen the tree of knowledge, the path of being like God by trying very hard to do everything that God says. Thus God gave the Law, the tree of knowledge spelled out, for the sole purpose of proving to us that NO LIFE ever comes from human knowledge and human achievement. The law cannot produce life. The problem is not the law; the problem was not the tree of knowledge. The problem is that human flesh was not made for the law; it was made for Christ. The flesh was made for union with God.

The belief that God, having birthed Christ in our hearts, would then revert back to the tree of knowledge in order to wrap up His work upon this earth is the spirit of anti-Christ. Claiming that the book of Revelation, that is, the Apocalypse of Jesus Christ, is all about a reversion back to the death of the Old Testament, the death of human knowledge about God and human ability acting “like” God, is anti-Christ.

Anything to keep God from showing up in the earth as He really is.

There is nothing “Old Testament” about the book of Revelation. All of it is simply the normal Christian life. The manchild, the two witnesses, the firstfruits, the 144,000, the revelation of Christ in glory, the reaction of the things in the darkness as the lights turn on, all of it is nothing other than Christ made alive and real in the heart of the simplest believer in Jesus. John gave us three different versions of the same truth, first as the gospel narrative, second as an epistolary explanation, and third as a Spirit vision filled with symbols, many of which are borrowed from the Old Testament. All three are the same.

Yet the church, in ongoing idolatry, takes every revelation of God in weakness and deifies it, turning it into something high above, outside of themselves, something impossible, something external to worship. It is idolatry. John closed his epistle with these words, “My children, keep yourselves from idols.”

There is another significant difference between the Old Testament and the New. God, when He chose to fill man full with the uselessness of living in the tree of knowledge, the lifelessness of relating to God by the law, directed that experience to one hapless little tribe of people, the descendants of Jacob. No one else had to bear the vanity of living under the law. Thus all the symbols of God found in the Old Testament, were, at that time, used in conjunction with the natural life of Israel in the earth.

But the death and resurrection of Jesus is for all mankind. God is the Savior of all men; the propitiation is for the sins of the whole world. The invitation to eat and drink of Christ goes to every single individual upon this planet. Thus the use of symbols by the Spirit of God in the New Testament makes the same transition. Those symbols no longer apply in a limited way to those things that affected the small nation of Israel. Rather, they now apply in a large way to all mankind, both in each generation of the church in their day, and now to us in our day, in the fullness of times.

Now, I want to refer back to the thought of the reader that “the Beast” is the carnal mind. That the mind of separation from God creates the Beast, there is no question. But the symbols God uses are specific, and we can find God’s definition for every symbol He uses somewhere in the Bible.

Now, Christianity has taken Paul’s description of the “man of sin,” together with John’s description of the spirit of “anti-Christ,” and his description of “the Beast,” merged them all together into an indistinguishable glob, contrary to anything in the Bible, and fastened all of it onto one individual person separate from all others that they call, “the Antichrist.”

No!! Such an idea is not Biblical.

Paul says “the spirit of the mind.” We understand that mind is an extension of spirit. Thus the mind of Christ is the human mind breathed upon by the Spirit of Christ. In the same way the carnal mind, the mind of separation, which is imagination only, is breathed upon by a spirit. That spirit John calls “the spirit of anti-Christ.” Thus I would likely tie the concept of anti-Christ together with the concept of the carnal mind.

But the symbol of a beast is clear. God uses a beast to symbolize various national or imperial governments as they related to the nation of Israel in Old Testament times. Thus the leopard symbolized Greece and its rapid conquest of empire under Alexander. The bear symbolized Persia and its strength and solidity over centuries. And the lion symbolized Rome in its cruel tearing of everything to pieces. In the Old Testament these beasts referred to specific governments because of the dispensation of God. But in the New Testament, God deals with all mankind, thus the one Beast, bearing all the characteristics of those earlier Beasts, refers to every human government in all the world in each generation of the church.

“Your desire will be to your husband, and he shall rule over you.” This is the curse God spoke upon Eve and upon all of her children. This is NOT God’s order, it is the curse. Jesus became the curse once for all so that we might know that we are free from it.

Yet in the fullness of times the Beast shows itself in all the fullness of its beastliness.

Now, the vision of Patmos is written for us, not just in Greek translated into English, but also in a language called the symbolic language of God. We cannot translate God’s language of symbols into English by applying those symbols to things we see upon the earth. Yet that’s what everyone tries to do. Why? I don’t understand. The symbol language God speaks through is so clearly translated for us all through the Bible including inside Revelation itself. But people try to say that “the Beast” was Nero, or “the Beast” is the European union, or “the Beast” is a single future dictator, etc., etc.

Here is one of the clearest translations of God’s symbol language that there is.

The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches. Revelation 1:20

The lampstands John saw were not things in themselves, but rather symbols God used to represent the church of Jesus Christ. In the same way “seven” is a symbol meaning completion or fullness, that is, all the local churches of Christ in every generation of the church.

Every symbol found in John’s vision is defined somewhere in the Bible, and especially in the gospel of Jesus Christ. For example compare these three verses.

And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy… Revelation 11:3

But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth. Acts 1:8

He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Romans 8:32

The idea that the verse in Revelation 11 is talking about something totally different from the clear verses of the gospel, something Old Testament when God could show Himself only through separated “prophets,” is simply absurd. And so it goes through the entire vision of John.

Whatever is true of Christ in all of His glory, might, and dominion fills the heart of the least and the littlest who loves Jesus and who sings His praises in the lonely watches. You want to be one of these two witnesses? That’s so easy. Give a cup of cold water to one who is thirsty and all heaven is overwhelmed by the witness of Christ through you in the earth.

Now, the symbols God uses always refer to one of three things. They refer to the nature of reality in the heavens, in the realms of spirit, or they refer to the life of Christ in the church and our being formed into His image, or they refer to the setting, the context, in which God tells His great story. Actually, every symbol refers to how the nature of reality in the heavens shows itself either in the church or in the setting of God’s victory, that is, in the world.

Christianity tries to show that the symbols God uses refer to Jesus ALONE. Yet never do you find God doing that. Always when the symbols are defined in the Bible, they are used to refer to Christ in His church, that is, Christ made personal in us.

And yet, knowing the language of symbols, as God defines them in the Bible, cannot bring an ounce of life to anyone. Life comes only from the Word God speaks entering into faith inside our hearts and birthing in and through us Christ Jesus Himself made personal as us.

Now, part of the deceit of the false prophet (the second beast) is found in using symbols found in the Old Testament to refer to events happening today with the modern nation of Israel.

No. Everything in the Old Testament comes to us through Christ alone. Nothing in the Old Testament by-passes Christ – except as death. And everything of Christ is revealed in His church, that is, that body of believers made up first of those who were formerly Jews, to whom we who were once Gentiles have been graciously added.
Now, part of the deceit
 of the false prophet
 (the second beast) 
is found in using 
symbols found in the
 Old Testament
 to refer to events
 happening today 
with the modern 
nation of Israel.

I suspect that the Jews of the early church who obeyed Moses and received Christ with all their hearts, I suspect that their children today, the Palestinian Christians, are at the root of that church held closely inside the heart of Jesus as they are being persecuted and destroyed by the Gentile Khazars who call themselves “Jews.” I suspect that how we treat the Palestinians, Christian or Muslim, is how God will deal with us as a nation.

Where is there any heart in Christendom to honor and uplift the children of those Jews in Jesus’ day who gladly received Him as they are today treated as the refuse and the off-scouring of the earth? In America, if you seek to aid these suffering people, you are a terrorist and you will be treated as such by all.

And don’t make the mistake of thinking that people belong to Jesus only if they have followed some Protestant formula. No, Jesus knows those who belong to Him, and He carries all of those to the Father, however their outward circumstances may look in this world.

What about the symbols of judgment and destruction found in John’s vision, the things that brought such horrific misuse of that vision all down through the centuries of the church, the things that cause most modern Christians to find some way or other to strike Revelation from any word of God for us today?

First, what do we NOT do with them? We never make an attempt to use those symbols to “predict the future.” Such an endeavor is mindless folly and utterly useless. No life of Christ has ever come to anyone by that practice.

The primary thing we do with them is, in knowing them (we take time to know them because we highly regard all that God speaks), we hold them in our hearts as a Word of Christ spoken by God into us. And we simply let them remain there to be brought forth out of us by God in His time and in His way.

Now, having done that, here is what I find happening. I am happily writing about some aspect of Christ my only life revealing Himself now through me into this world. As I reach for the means by which I can convey that word of Christ with clarity, sometimes a verse from John’s vision comes out of my heart where it lives and into my mind. I see, “Yeah, that shows this truth of Christ so clearly.”

In that way I have brought this verse from Revelation into my letters on two different occasions.

And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men… hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne…” Revelation 6:15-16

The picture from the vision came in to give clarity to the truth of Christ I was sharing, NOT the other way around. That’s how it works; that’s how the Holy Spirit uses the symbols of the prophetic word to reveal Christ to us as He moves now through us in our day. We don’t take the symbols and force them upon Christ, we take the sharing of Christ and use the symbols, as the Holy Spirit draws them in, to enhance and make clear that sharing.

Now, I also understand that the universe and the solar system are entirely electrical. Today’s Picture of the Day at Thunderbolts.info is a stunning picture of a tornado in Kansas followed by a convincing argument that cosmic electricity causes tornadoes, not the other way around.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2013/04/30/electric-devils/

Thus any actual events foreseen by John cannot be understood by today’s so-called “scientific” thinking. And all the Christian attempts to “explain” some of these things by the ignorance of present-day cosmology is just silly.

It is a “common” occurrence for a sharp jolt of electrical power greater than the surface of the sun can discharge to come flowing down the Birkeland currents powering our galaxy. When that happens the sun (or in Noah’s day, Saturn) must split off a new planet, a binary and smaller “star,” to create a larger surface area to accommodate the extra discharge needs of that spike in the current. This new “planet” then is blown out into the solar system in an unstable orbit and with a differing charge to the present electrically stable planets. As this new body carrying a differing charge passes close to Mercury, Venus, or earth, the difference in charge results in massive sparks going from one to the other. Those massive sparks were called thunderbolts by our forefathers who saw them arcing between planets, right there as visible as the moon, many, many times.

It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if we find ourselves in such a ride again today. (I am making no predictions.) The people of this world, including most Christians, will be freaking out as their eyes show them things contrary to their received “science” and “history.” But we? We will ride with God.

Riding with God on the cherubs of heaven with the winds of the universe blowing through our hair is an adventure worth living for, an adventure big enough to excite the heart of this Guy who has us call Him Father, who fills our hearts with all of His breath-taking splendor.

But we don’t need to say “This (the present circumstance) is that, (the prophetic word spoken in the Bible)” until this is our present reality and the Holy Spirit is right now proving that through us into this earth.

Thus every word God speaks becomes Christ made alive and personal inside of us.